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    Indy Mk II

    Even though the dust hasn't settled on the EU Ref, Nicola is already pledging a second referendum in 2 years time. So whats your thoughts? would you vote differently this time or the same, does what happened last night change your mind at all?

    Heres where i stand.

    Voted Yes in indy ref.
    Voted Out Last night.
    Indy Ref 2 ... still undecided... depends if there is another EU ref separate for Scotland or not.

    Im all for democracy, so to vote 'No' in the indy ref was the voice of people and again last night, it was the voice of the people. Because we had voted to remain in the UK, the outcome of last nights referendum effected everyone. Thats what happens in a democratic union and those who voted no in 2014 indy ref, cant complain about last nights result going against the Scottish vote.

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    it'll be 60:40 or more to leave the UK

    Nicola Sturgeon says EU result is "democratically unacceptable" for Scots and represents "a material change" for Scotland in the UK.

    And she's not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Grantland View Post
    it'll be 60:40 or more to leave the UK

    Nicola Sturgeon says EU result is "democratically unacceptable" for Scots and represents "a material change" for Scotland in the UK.

    And she's not wrong.
    That said, do you agree that because we voted to remain in the UK, that we have to accept that this was a UK decision and Scotlands vote is only part of the overall decision? Like i said, i was an "YES" indy voter, but we reap what we sow. We, as in Scotland, chose to stay part of a democratic union and as such, we make decisions like these as a union, therefore nullifying any form of supposed separation on this vote.

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    I have no desire for indie ref #2. Especially one that is to leave the UK and join the EU. Fvck that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skacel View Post
    I have no desire for indie ref #2. Especially one that is to leave the UK and join the EU. Fvck that.
    This is how I am feeling at the moment. Im feeling stuck between a rock and a hard place, with the SNP wanting indy and the EU membership. Thing is, i dont want the EU membership, but i originally voted for Indy, so its a difficult one.

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    Indyref2 will happen, no doubt it and this time Scotland will gain it's independence

    Cameron wants out the door as he can see that this is obvious.

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    Last night couldnt have been any better for that beaut Sturgeon. Its pretty much got independence for her. Which was inevitable.

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    I liked the picture sneckie painted regarding a slim remain majority. I think that would've helped the independence movement more than a Brexit. It would've also been hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupie82 View Post
    That said, do you agree that because we voted to remain in the UK, that we have to accept that this was a UK decision and Scotlands vote is only part of the overall decision? Like i said, i was an "YES" indy voter, but we reap what we sow. We, as in Scotland, chose to stay part of a democratic union and as such, we make decisions like these as a union, therefore nullifying any form of supposed separation on this vote.
    You abide by the democratic will of the people.
    100%

    But what this has done is hand the Krankie everything she needs to call a second indyref and win, a lot of no votes in 14 would have been because they wanted to stay in the EU (which was in no way guaranteed under independence) now, well they are being pulled out so it will change votes.
    Might change a few the other way but not many.
    The vote in Scotland last night would essentially the way a second indyref would get at a minimum.

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    I voted Yes for the last Indy ref but people are getting carried away this time thinking its a stick on.

    The situation has now changed a lot and most of the people saying they will vote Yes this time around will soon change their opinions once the options start to come clear.

    Last time: Scotlands largest export market (England) would have also been in the EU this time we are actually voting to separate from that completely. My company sells mostly to England like a majority of Scottish companies.

    Also We could have pegged to the in the past so not as to have to take the awful Euro - if we want into the EU this time its Euro or nothing. The Euro is a disaster and on top of that will only survive with a financial and political European Union. This is why Spain and Greece are stuck with 50% youth unemployment..they dont have the tools to change things like Iceland did after the banking crisis.

    Basically wed swapping being partially run by Westminster & Edinburgh to an almost fake Scottish parliament with Brussels/Euro bank in the driving seat (Basically Germany). This is the plan - which is why this Brexit was always going to happen sooner or later. It will be interesting to see if they still try and force it on the current EU countries.

    If things play out as I expect I will probably vote No this time. Id rather have lots of power in Edinburgh overseen by Westminster with free trade with our biggest customer than a tiny % of a European superstate.

    Also other positives out of this are we will get more Trade Deals with other Countries than the EU has. The French for example continually veto the deals to protect their farmers etc - like the US deal. Trying to get 27 countries to agree a deal with an potential trade partner is impossible.

    Its not all bad but it could be a rocky few months/years. I dont feel jumping back into the EU in its current form is a good idea tho.

    My ideal scenario is the EU come to the UK with some revised options and a 2nd EU vote is taken but the EU is like my Ex-wife - they dont negotiate on their grand plan - and its what will be their downfall. We got out early I think.

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    There won't be another indy ref, if Mrs Krankie lost she would be finished. Anyway if Scotland did vote for independence it wouldn't be in the EU anyway. No way countries like Spain would let us in because that would encourage independence for Catalunya.

    Also Mrs Krankie still can't tell us what currency we would use after independence.

    I voted No to indepenedence and out yesterday

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    That woman and her side kicks have only one aim in life and that is to break up the UK. Yesterday's vote was an all UK vote, the Nationalist leaders have hijacked the result for their own self-centred political aims. Shame on them for totally ignoring the democratic decision of the Nation at the Indy Ref, a referendum they called for and lost. They should get it into their thick skulls that they were elected to run the country, not to break it up.
    Election results are meaningless to them unless it goes their way. Democratic Party? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochead View Post
    That woman and her side kicks have only one aim in life and that is to break up the UK.
    There's a clue in the name of her Party. I think there's a better argument for a referendum now than before. As a champion of democracy, surely you'd welcome one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason89 View Post
    There's a clue in the name of her Party.
    It's the reason they exist. You'd think people would stop getting annoyed by that after all this time.

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    [QUOTE=Mason89;38177947]There's a clue in the name of her Party. I think there's a better argument for a referendum now than before. As a champion of democracy, surely you'd welcome one?

    The question was asked in 2014 and the answer given as per democracy, Yesterday's question was asked off the whole of the UK and the answer given as per democracy.
    there is no reason for another vote, we voted to remain in the UK, Yesterday was a question for the UK as a whole.

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    [QUOTE=Aldo1983;38177951]It's the reason they exist. You'd think people would stop getting annoyed by that after all this time.[/QUOTE

    They asked the question and were given an answer, later generations may think differently.

    I just want them to do what they were elected to do and that is to manage the country.

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    The situations changed since 2014. If the referendums were the other way about, do you think it might've gone differently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason89 View Post
    The situations changed since 2014. If the referendums were the other way about, do you think it might've gone differently?
    I can't say with any certainty. With the benifit of hindsight we know that a lot of discussion was opened up regarding the euro, good or bad, would the Bank of England become the lender of last resort, that looked unlikely. Assuming we did not have that info at hand and we were going into a referendum on the back of the Euro result, those subjects would open up and a lot of claims and counterclaims would surface, then of course all the other arguments would surface. If I had to come down one way or another and only knowing how things went first time I think the result would be the same.
    Although I was always a no voter my resolve hardened with the knowledge that the Yes side had absolutely no idea what was happening regarding currency.

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    Today was a very good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnared View Post
    Today was a very good day.
    For Nigel Farage and Glastonbury maybe

    Most of Scotland will view this as a terrible day but it will be seen as a pivotal moment in years to come.

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