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The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbours, which culminated in the Second World War. As of 1950, the European Coal and Steel Community begins to unite European countries economically and politically in order to secure lasting peace.
Swales I didn't know that.I thought I had voted for a common market in in 1975. I must have been lied to. I demand a referendum.
Ah diddums not like being caught out then?
I long ago realised you weren't worth the effort of debating with, as your so wrong most of the time and really haven't a clue, but given that impressionable minds seemed to think you were credible, its been goo to destroy that credibility by showing that you were completely and utterly wrong as to why NATO was formed!
****ing priceless that when shown up as to how ignorant you are, you then accuse me of being arrogant, well thats fine by me at least I'm not stupid...
Tbf ramspride...the majority of this debate has been conducted better than most but Swale has taken an enormous amount of stick and if he is repeatedly being called an 'arrogant prick/tosser' then you have to expect a reaction. Personally I think stubborn, forthright and single minded would be better descriptions than 'arrogant'. He also seems well informed to me but that's probably because we usually broadly agree. Tricky always seems fairly far to the right and never lets the truth get in the way of his wum agenda and while it's a pity that Gaspode may be pushing off I hope that's nothing to do with this topic because I really don't understand people who moan about the content of threads that no one forces them to read or contribute to especially when it has generated almost 1500 responses compared with the standard average of about twenty.
The past few threads have raised a couple of interesting ironies. It is particularly ironic that an institution such as the EU, one of whose objectives was to promote harmony in Europe and prevent the return of nationalism / national socialism has set in motion policies which are in fact promoting the return of that very phenomenon. The free movement of labour has given the extreme right a new set of targets ulon whom to focus blame for the plight of the domestic JAMs: predominantly Eastern Europen. The EU open door policies on Middle Eastern "refugees" is doing the same thing. The institution grounded in the concept of "never againon my watch" seems to be creating the perfect conditions and environment for "ywt again".
The second irony is of course that this thread is degenerating into personal abuse and intolerance of opinion on both sides and thus becoming fractious and warlike at the expense of coherent debate. The EU promoting disharmony in a microcosm! You bunch of tossers (more irony)
With Brexit we are about to see change, for the better I hope. A big fact is people don't usually like change so that's why there has been mega discussion on this topic.
Regarding change some folk want it others don't, there is no one on this footy board going to win the argument so lets stop the dummy throwing and tighten your seatbelts for the long ride ahead and lets see what the outcome will be!
To be honest I don't have an issue with most having an opinion or a view all have something to contribute but I do take issue with Tricky's quoting inaccurate *******s and passing it off as "the facts" the guy's clearly unhinged (well he is a forest fan) although even he has a valid point shame its obscured by so much crap!
Yes sometimes I get so frustrated i become intemperate in my language, so apologies to all but NOT Tricky, i really should just ignore the guy's posts but when he is wrong I can't resist!
Anyway the Rams are on a roll!!
I see Alan Milburn, Richard Branson, Gina Miller amongst others (including Blair and Geldof ) are shaping up to challenge Brexit. Good for them imo...but where the hell is Corbyn?