i think at last poloticians are realising they need to actually work and be seen to work. and if anyone starts a thread on tony blair i will explode.
despite all this still hope we get promotion this year .
i think at last poloticians are realising they need to actually work and be seen to work. and if anyone starts a thread on tony blair i will explode.
my hamster lives in a hat in its cage
Apart from the Referendum result and its' consequences (good or bad) what we appear to be seeing is the cycle of British politics moving along to a new position. In my lifetime that cycle normally sees the 2 major parties move further apart - Labour to the left and the Tories to the right - allowing the Liberals (now Lib dems) to grab more of the centre ground, this is then followed by the Tories and Labour moving back to the centre squeezing out the LD's. At the present time the LD's are totally incapable of occupying any ground unless its' a six foot deep hole!! So, we could see the unusual situation of 2 extreme parties with a big hole in the middle which will be quite unusual if it happens!! Will the left hold sway or the right??
With regard to the new Tory leader both I think are right of centre with Andrea Pearson furthest right. Corbyn is clearly on the left so if he stays the scenario is set. With regard to Brexit Leadsom will happily exit whilst Corbyn won't resist!! May will observe the outcome of the Referendum ie negotiate Brexit and Corbyn won't resist!!
Neat observation. I see another example of the wheel turning, and that is away from tolerance/political correctness which you could say was the home turf of the Lib Dems to intolerance/saying it like it is, and with the prevailing mood being intolerance of immigration, the 2 big parties will be keeping their eyes on the rise of UKIP.
Remember DC's concern about losing influence to UKIP caused him to call the referendum in the first place, and I would guess that the future administration's similar sense of self preservation will lead them to being relatively intolerant (let's say, of immigrants/immigration) for fear of UKIP calling them to account and recruiting a big wodge of the 17m to help them fill that hole. As usual, no axe being ground, I'm just suggesting a possible direction
I agree but I ahve yet to see an explanation as to how leaving the EU will give people what they want? We will still be ruled by big business and the elite who ensure that politicians do what they want, because they can offe thos epoliticians a chnace to ge thir snout in the Uk trough!
I struggle to see how the refugee crisis, which one could argue has been handled very badly is anything to do with the EU? So the point about 500% increase in ***ual assaults (a very dubious statistic and one closely aligned to distrust of foreigners and other cultures) is irrelevant in the context of the vote to leave the EU - last time I looked I hadnt noticed the Eu had forced us to accept any non Eu citizens!!
People may be fed up with big business, corruption and the rich getting richer whilst the poor get poorer but I have yet to see they will actually do anything about it and the vote leave the EU certainly hasnt improved thier lot as we will no doubt see.
I do open my eyes and ears - the reason I am aghast at the leave's reasons for voting leave is that firstly the reasons given dont bear close scrutiny - the vast majority of our laws are passed by UK government , perhaps you could clarify how laws passed by the EU have impacted negatively on your life or those whom you know? Immigration underpins our economy and the without it we would be in a very sorry state unless you believe that there are simply thousands of decent skilled hard working Brits who are not working simply because immigrants have taken their jobs?
IF the economy dives due to Brexit, it will be those who voted leave who will be hardest hit - will they think the "freedom" gained is worth it?
All I care about now is IDS and his sarnies.
I wrote a nice long response to this last night which I "sent" to the board however it seems to have failed to have arrived. Another flaw in the new system seemingly, and not for the first time.
I havent the enthusiasm to rewrite it but in essence noone can say because in a few months something might happen that nullifies all assumptions. BUT in essence markets are resilient and if underlying businesses remain strong then its a "simple" matter of unbundling trade agreements and redesigning them. Wont be as bad as some fear or as easy as some assume.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. The reality is that the need for the free trade zone will probably result in an exit deal that mimics a lot of the old EU arrangements, including some free movement of labour, but excluding a lot of the federalist overtones. Not a bad compromise that in my view.
The biggest question is will anyone else follow our lead? Another big player deciding to leave, especially a net contributor, could bring the whole thing down around our head. Then the decision to have been the first to bail out of the sinking ship may seem a good one. But if it does then expect to see a 2025 sequel "EU2 - The Wrath of Farage" as the stronger western european nations rebuild and redesign a less painful "common market".
The EU is a bit like genital warts, herpes or the Rat: it wont go away, its for life. In one form or another. Because in theory its good but in practice it stinks
Last edited by roger_ramjet; 08-07-2016 at 06:11 AM.
Really good post Roger. I think a lot of the points you've made will come to fruition. Bit unfair to group rat with genital warts and herpes though. Oh on reflection maybe you're right. Pity you lost your original post these days I type out my post on Libra so if the post fails I just paste it again. I know to a lot of posters dismay.