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    Leave losing can be put down to something like 64% of U25s not bothering to register a vote. It is now many of those same U25s who are remoaning the result. I say "look in the mirror".

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    Quote Originally Posted by swaledale View Post
    The leave vote was a complicated mix, of people at the "bottom of the heap" so to speak who were rightly brassed off with the unfair treatment they have suffered over decades, those people who (while failing to recognise that immigration has been more positive than negative for this country over the years) were anti immigrant for whatever reason and the older generation who hark back to some so called golden years when the Uk was a major force in the world and who have never recovered from the fact that we no longer have an empire.

    Oh and course self serving ****s like Boris Johnson and Farage who saw an opportunity to elevate themselves on the political stage beyond where their actual abilities would get them.
    I have an insight into the immigration one Swale, through my hobby interest. The ‘whatever reason’ is mainly ‘no reason’ because ‘they’ don’t see why they need one - ‘they’ will choose who they like and don’t like, and therefore who they want in their country, and sod the powers that be trying to brainwash them otherwise. Not my view, which is a lot more nuanced, but my observation. This links to RAs comment that brexiters didn’t understand the complexities - those I talk of understood mighty fine, it meant the end of uncontrolled immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    Leave losing can be put down to something like 64% of U25s not bothering to register a vote. It is now many of those same U25s who are remoaning the result. I say "look in the mirror".
    Exemplified by those on the Glastonbury stage waving Remain flags, who one of the smarter dailies polled and discovered only a couple of the dozens they found voted. Can’t recall the paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    Exemplified by those on the Glastonbury stage waving Remain flags, who one of the smarter dailies polled and discovered only a couple of the dozens they found voted. Can’t recall the paper
    I though crop rotation had meant that there wasn't a Glastonbury festival this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    I though crop rotation had meant that there wasn't a Glastonbury festival this year?
    I’m sure you realise I meant 2016, Glastonbury was 22-26 June that year and the photo was taken on 22nd, I think with billy Bragg stage centre

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamworthram View Post
    You're right, there really isn't anyone I can think of I'd least like to see as PM. Can you imagine, Farage at Downing Street, Trump in the Whitehouse and Putin at the Kremlin?
    Well, thank God the first one seems further away than ever...two and a bit years on, but it seems as if both Putin and Trump might be in the Kremlin the way things are going.

    Who could have possibly predicted at the time of the Referendum that a certain President Trump would be showing more respect and friendship towards Putin than his allies...but that’s what currently happening.

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    In all fairness football does bring folk together though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manofpride View Post
    In all fairness football does bring folk together though!
    Aye...there is that. X

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    It's now looking like it could be a hard Brexit! Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manofpride View Post
    It's now looking like it could be a hard Brexit! Thoughts?
    1. It will save however many billions they want in the divorce settlement
    2. Trade would continue under WTO tariffs which is pretty much how we trade with much of the rest of the world anyway
    3. We could then negotiate better deals with the rest of the world although any deal with the US is likely to be Donald Trump first, second and third
    4. I hope all those new roads, lorry parks and warehouses that the Government says it has plans for, just in case, are actually built and serviceable by March of next year or imports and exports are going to be a devil to deal with at ports.......
    5. It stops the Law coming in that is designed to make tax avoidance/evasion being made harder and with much stiffer penalties from reaching the Statute Books.
    6. It won't be as painful as the remain lobby says

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    ..........and it would cock a snook at Johnny Foreigner, which is always a bally good thing, what ho, Jeeves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manofpride View Post
    It's now looking like it could be a hard Brexit! Thoughts?
    I don’t think it is.
    I sincerely hope it isn’t because it would be a total disaster.

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    I'm surprised you feel that way rA.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    I'm surprised you feel that way rA.....
    Lol...I know, I almost preceded it with...’this might come as a surprise...but...’

    Anyway...I still await the World coming to it’s senses and the end of Trump, Brexit, UKIP, religious extremists and Forest. (Plus...if there is a God and he’s listening...Millwall, ‘Mrs. Brown’s Boys’, Leeds United, Rupert Murdoch, Michael Gove, Lord Snooty, Essex, the DUP, Billy Davies and Curling)

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    From that list I have to say I like Lord Snooty and most of the Beano for that matter, but I 100% back your wish to rid the world of Mrs brown's Boys - I have had funnier hernias. I would add Love Island, all soap operas, James Blunt, Christiano Ronaldo and Dianne Abbot to your list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    From that list I have to say I like Lord Snooty and most of the Beano for that matter, but I 100% back your wish to rid the world of Mrs brown's Boys - I have had funnier hernias. I would add Love Island, all soap operas, James Blunt, Christiano Ronaldo and Dianne Abbot to your list
    Yep...little problem with any of them...I also enjoyed the Beano but was, as you’ll know, referring to LS’s modern day political incarnation Rees-Mogg...oh, and I forgot...Jeremy Clarkson...and Severn Trent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    Lol...I know, I almost preceded it with...’this might come as a surprise...but...’

    Anyway...I still await the World coming to it’s senses and the end of Trump, Brexit, UKIP, religious extremists and Forest. (Plus...if there is a God and he’s listening...Millwall, ‘Mrs. Brown’s Boys’, Leeds United, Rupert Murdoch, Michael Gove, Lord Snooty, Essex, the DUP, Billy Davies and Curling)
    You missed your effort of last week RA, Allentonites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    You missed your effort of last week RA, Allentonites
    A little unfair AF...but those who disrespect their communities and throw their weight about, which, imo, is usually worse in the less well off areas...yep they can go too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    I have an insight into the immigration one Swale, through my hobby interest. The ‘whatever reason’ is mainly ‘no reason’ because ‘they’ don’t see why they need one - ‘they’ will choose who they like and don’t like, and therefore who they want in their country, and sod the powers that be trying to brainwash them otherwise. Not my view, which is a lot more nuanced, but my observation. This links to RAs comment that brexiters didn’t understand the complexities - those I talk of understood mighty fine, it meant the end of uncontrolled immigration.
    Well perhaps then the leave camp need to understand some facts, firstly Brexit wont stop uncontrolled immigration, for one very good reason the country needs it to survive economically and for businesses and services to operate - this is already being shown as shortages of key staff are happening now even before Brexit starts to take effect.

    As for "they" choosing who they like and dont like, well its a point of view but one that demonstrates all to clearly that "they" have no grasp of how the modern world operates and unfortunately "they" aren't going to change that. No matter how hard it is resisted, change happens and most have no influence over that change

    "They" of course have a somewhat bizarre view of the history of the UK, its royals that are so "typically british" are of Prussian and Greek origin, most of they are a mixture of saxon , norman, irish and numerous other races which have settled in this country (not always peacefully) and actually its a positive for the country, socially and economically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    1. It will save however many billions they want in the divorce settlement
    2. Trade would continue under WTO tariffs which is pretty much how we trade with much of the rest of the world anyway
    3. We could then negotiate better deals with the rest of the world although any deal with the US is likely to be Donald Trump first, second and third
    4. I hope all those new roads, lorry parks and warehouses that the Government says it has plans for, just in case, are actually built and serviceable by March of next year or imports and exports are going to be a devil to deal with at ports.......
    5. It stops the Law coming in that is designed to make tax avoidance/evasion being made harder and with much stiffer penalties from reaching the Statute Books.
    6. It won't be as painful as the remain lobby says
    It wont be as painful as the remain lobby says? MM not really up to speed on the integration of economies are you?

    Sure all the things except 1 (unless the Uk is going to take a lead in welshing on treaties it has agreed in good faith) could happen, the problem is that trade deals take years to negotiate, exactly what do we have that the rest of the world is itching to buy off us?

    I take it then that those who voted Brexit will be content to suffer the severe negative economic consequences for around the next decade at least whilst the Uk magically changes the way it does business? Negative consequences by the way which messrs banks, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Farage et al will not suffer and indeed may even benefit from?

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