I'm with Tricky on this one, I'm fairly hardcore on shirkers. The best summary on the subject of welfare I ever heard was not from a politician (surprise surprise) but from a racing driver, the great Mario Andretti, who responded to being asked why he emptied his pockets for a (genuine, paraplegic) beggar in Rio, responded 'I help those who can't help themselves, not those who won't help themselves'.
The point was ramanag, there is always a crisis around the corner, whether we want it or not.
Before the vote, there was major talk from the bank of England about a world slump and recession.
Long term, I'd sooner face a fight I know is coming, than one I don't. It also lets me see the goals I need to achieve to get where I want.
I don't like being threatened by fear of the unknown, which Cameron/Osborn/Subury/Obama portrayed.
I work my nuts off for my company, I will continue to do so. My vision and reaches will soon be way past the horizon.
Glass half full and not empty, which remoaners portray etc.
Perfectly reasonable sentiment it is too Andy, but I wasn't aware there are any on here who actively support 'shirkers' and I'm not at all sure what any of it has to do with Brexit.
As for 'being threatened by fear of the unknown' Tricky...isn't that exactly what many business leaders/owners are so worried about in this post referendum climate?
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Ramanag, without trying to sound preaching.
It was said the earth was flat
It was said that after 30 mph the human brain would explode
It was said that the sound barrier couldn't be breached
It was said that man couldn't be on the moon
The point is that it is down to us, to make it work. Not some bureaucrat in Brussels, who hasn't done a days work in his/hers life to tell us what to do.
It's ours to grab.
I sound like Del Boy now, let he who dares wins.
We're free of the restraints and regulations and the drive to a super state. I never wanted/voted for that. It was always the end goal and once trapped, you're in.
Democracy, which you despute in the vote, was never implemented for the EU. I call that justice.
I always find it says a lot about someone's capacity to think for themselves when they start soap boxing about 'benefit scroungers', when it's tax avoidance from corporations and the elites which cost the economy so much more. You have to ask yourself why one angers you so much more over the other. And if you have any ability to reason left in you, you must conclude that the answer is, it's because that's what you were told to think. Hate the poor and let the rich keep screwing you.
And there's the difference between us...well one of them. I don't see it as being 'down to us to make it work', I see it as being down to us to bring a halt to this terribly ill conceived mistake. I don't feel as if I'm being told what to do by 'some bureaucrat in Brussels' and you have no idea whether such people have 'done a day's work in their life' or not. I understand your objection to what you describe as a 'super state' but it seems likely we're going to swap membership of the EU for becoming beholden to the U.S. and I don't think that's what anyone wanted either. As for being 'free of restraints and regulations', can't say I've ever felt restrained or regulated by Europe but I'm certainly not best pleased at the prospect of higher fuel bills, more expensive food, longer air and ferry port queues and much more costly holidays, but each to their own...maybe that was part of the plan all along.
I was off on my own tangent for a minute there - I hate shirkers of all races, creeds and colours, my crude economics says if benefits for shirkers went down to zero, QED (or ergo?) the UK would be unattractive to EU shirkers. I'm off to troll facebook before I suggest a return to National Service