I had to Google, "Nebulous"
Although, most mission statements are nebulous, people get paid far too much and spend far too much time to come up with a sentence to go under their logo, anyway... please forgive the brevity, my dinner's just going in the oven:
I'll play the game fair and put forward the negatives since the referendum...
Its raised a bitter side of people, that I never knew existed before. I've always known their are some horrible extreme right wing people who disgust me in many ways, but I was ignorant of how bitter and twisted the left wing could be. The only difference seems to be that it's legal to spread left wing hatred and vitriol.
In a world of supposed information, people are still blinded by propaganda, except rather than being adverts or newspapers, its taken many new forms. Most arguing over the matter, seems to be the same old soundbites being thrown either way, too many myths and I'm bored of it.
Satire is dead- it used to be light hearted jokes about politicians and leading figures, now its just anger filled rage, the louder they (TV personalities / comedians) shout and the redder the faces become, the more they get booked.
You might have to pay an additional £6.30 when you next spend a grand on your EU destined holiday.
How will we be better off? It's hard to not be nebulous because to quantify "better off" is subjective. I'm better off now because I'm in a better paid job than I was 12 months ago, leaving the EU hasn't impacted that. But here is what I voted for, I'm not an expert on predicting the future, I'm just Joe Public, but having a little life experience and some formal education in economics, I'd like to think that I'm not just some idiot who's scared of foreigners or takes much notice of what's written on a bus (unless I'm catching it of course!). I do feel a mountain has been made of a molehill, not helped by supposed neutral media outlets (sorry to pick up on an Andy point, but the BBC have let us down this last couple of years), but that's life...
Trade:
The EU operates on a similar basis to a "preferred suppliers list", it restricts free trade in measures that are often non-tariff based. There are advantages to this of course, depending where you are placed in particular services and your accessibility to import / export affordably and predictably. However, its also a constraint on your ability to exploit certain markets that would put you in direct competition with a particular EU state, meaning reduced opportunity to profit, reduced quality, reduced comparative advantage, and all the other advantages that come with competition. Leaving the EU doesn't remove access to the EU market (they rely on our trade to survive and are hardly going to refuse custom or opportunity into our market despite the spiteful propaganda spouted by EU politicians), it just removes the restriction, and I have faith in the skill of UK business to be able to exploit the new opportunities for our gain.
Politically:
It drives accountability of our own politicians home. If "we" vote in a government, regardless of my personal vote, I want them fully accountable for our policies, not hiding behind an EU decision, or only having a small say in EU policy which we are bound by. Nebulous maybe, but I expect them to work for us rather than blaming Brussells.
Immigration:
I don't think it's insensible to put restrictions of who walks, flies or sails into your country, and to not have it dictated to you by other EU states. There will always be an element that can't be controlled, any system can be defeated, by why invite it? Why have people travelling here to complete unskilled (I don't intend any disrespect as all work command respect) jobs, to send their pay "home" to another country, taking it out of our economy... or simply to come here and scrounge of our benefits system? There are other issues at home we need to deal with of course, but it doesn't mean that this should be ignored. "Dey tuk are jubs" or "nobody else would do the jobs" doesn't wash with me, certain UK people should be forced to complete undesirable work or simply lose their benefits... another argument of course.
I need to cut it here as my chips smell burnt, and I'm going to have to pretend I'm not hungry. But I will quickly state that I'm not anti-EU, I don't demonise it, our membership has been a positive for us historically, certainly in terms of our employment protections to the point where we are now far more attractive as employers than the rest of the EU. However, I think the tide has changed, the principles it was set out to achieve were achieved, and now it's become something else heading in the wrong direction. There's enough unrest in other EU states, and I expect that a few are wanting to see how our exit pans out before they take the same journey.
PS. I don't really care about the NI / Irish border, I live in the South of England and I am more interested in a decent diversion around Stonehenge so i can get to cricket quicker, the politicians can sort out a system / arrangement for our close neighbours.
Perhaps you'd return the courtesy and state, without being nebulous (I'm enjoying this addition to my vocabulary!), why you feel we are better to remain in the EU? We'll disagree of course, but I fully respect your position.
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