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Thread: OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    So here is rA's take on the election:

    About 67% turnout, slightly down on 2017.

    The conservatives might end up with 45% of votes cast.

    This means only about 30% of the electorate have voted for them.

    The people have not spoken, this is not the will of the people. We should have another, second, election before we embark on Brexit.
    It never will be until the voting system is changed.

    It does confirm my view that the majority of the electorate are thick and just vote for the slogan they can read! Anything more than 3 words and they can't decipher it, Trump the referendum and this election have demonstrated that very clearly.

    Of course Johnson now has to actually be Prime Minister, which will take more than waffle, slogans and churning out obvious lies.

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    As yes and Swale's take - insult the electorate en masse as they didn't vote his way

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    Quote Originally Posted by swaledale View Post
    It never will be until the voting system is changed.

    It does confirm my view that the majority of the electorate are thick and just vote for the slogan they can read! Anything more than 3 words and they can't decipher it, Trump the referendum and this election have demonstrated that very clearly.

    Of course Johnson now has to actually be Prime Minister, which will take more than waffle, slogans and churning out obvious lies.
    Now you want the voting system changed because the result didn't go your way? Oh and don't talk about majority as you don't know what it means. Leave 51.89% ..............Remain 48.11%

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    This election shows how undemocratic the first past the post system really is. An increase in their vote of a mere 1.2% has seen them move from a party without an overall majority and needing to bribe the DUP in order to grab power to a party with a majority of just shy of 80 seats thatcan, in effect, do what the hell they like. That, IMO, is exactly what they will do.

    rA won't like it but Brexit is going to happen as of 311/1/20. End of. As GP wrote but taken from a different viewpoint, around 70% of the electorate did not vote for the Tories. However, votes not cast don't count so the stat rA can realistically use is that 56.4% of those that did vote, didn't vote Tory. Despite that, the Tories will see the result as a huge mandate to carry out their policies with gay abandon (I expect a few comments on that choice of phrase).

    What will the result mean for the UK? Obviously, Brexit is going to happen, that is crystal clear. For the rest, it will all depend on which Boris Johnson stands up now he has that majority. Will it be the right wing slave of the 1% or will it be the "one nation Tory" he would have us believe he is. As with everything, the truth will lie somewhere in the middle. My thoughts are that he can help the 1% as much as he likes PROVIDED he doesn't have the NHS get run on the USA model, reduces child poverty, reduces the need for the UKs fastest growing industry - Food Banks, doesn't screw over the workers by changing the Law to favour employers even more a la USA, doesn't change consumer protection Law to favour US companies and methods to allow chlorinated chicken, growth hormone laden beef, pesticides proven to cause cancer etc. , doesn't raise the pensionable age to 75 or anywhere near that.

    It is my fear that those who have given him this mandate by voting Tory for the first time simply to get Brexit through will rue doing so because of all the things I have just listed, things I don't believe any Brexit supporter actually wants to happen. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    So here is rA's take on the election:

    About 67% turnout, slightly down on 2017.

    The conservatives might end up with 45% of votes cast.

    This means only about 30% of the electorate have voted for them.

    The people have not spoken, this is not the will of the people. We should have another, second, election before we embark on Brexit.
    No...RA’s take on the election is that it was dominated by two things...Corbyn’s inadequacies and Brexit.

    Personally I continue to believe that Johnson is a buffoon and that Brexit is a massive mistake but this was the ‘Brexit Election’ and the outcome was overwhelming. I can’t argue with that.

    Probably not helped by people with plenty to say on the subject ultimately abdicating their responsibility to vote but I suppose, in the circumstances, your decision to consistently oppose Brexit and then not ‘waste your shoe leather’ by actually voting tells it’s own story.

    At least we’ve seen the end of Corbyn, Swinson and possibly Farage but as MoP says...’time to work together’ and make the most of what, imo, is a bloody awful outcome.

    Hopefully we’ve hit rock bottom and a new party of centrism that we can both support might arise from the ashes...going to take a while though, at least five years, maybe another decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    No...RA’s take on the election is that it was dominated by two things...Corbyn’s inadequacies and Brexit.

    Personally I continue to believe that Johnson is a buffoon and that Brexit is a massive mistake but this was the ‘Brexit Election’ and the outcome was overwhelming. I can’t argue with that.

    Probably not helped by people with plenty to say on the subject ultimately abdicating their responsibility to vote but I suppose, in the circumstances, your decision to consistently oppose Brexit and then not ‘waste your shoe leather’ by actually voting tells it’s own story.

    At least we’ve seen the end of Corbyn, Swinson and possibly Farage but as MoP says...’time to work together’ and make the most of what, imo, is a bloody awful outcome.

    Hopefully we’ve hit rock bottom and a new party of centrism that we can both support might arise from the ashes...going to take a while though, at least five years, maybe another decade.
    Actually RA I'll agree.

    But we have had to hit rock bottom to get the point across.
    Crap on the populous given a vote and they will react.
    However much the losing side hated it, it should have been respected.
    3 years wasted, caused this.
    Had it been settled, then this election would have been very different.

    Moral of the story, respect what the public was promised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds View Post
    Actually RA I'll agree.

    But we have had to hit rock bottom to get the point across.
    Crap on the populous given a vote and they will react.
    However much the losing side hated it, it should have been respected.
    3 years wasted, caused this.
    Had it been settled, then this election would have been very different.

    Moral of the story, respect what the public was promised.
    No Tricky...the moral of the story is to have credible opposition leaders...not an idealogue like Corbyn or a deluded irrelevance like Swinson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    No Tricky...the moral of the story is to have credible opposition leaders...not an idealogue like Corbyn or a deluded irrelevance like Swinson.
    .... and they both got beaten by a bumbling buffoob of a pathological liar who wouldn't know the truth if it kicked him up the 'arris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    No...RA’s take on the election is that it was dominated by two things...Corbyn’s inadequacies and Brexit.

    Personally I continue to believe that Johnson is a buffoon and that Brexit is a massive mistake but this was the ‘Brexit Election’ and the outcome was overwhelming. I can’t argue with that.

    Probably not helped by people with plenty to say on the subject ultimately abdicating their responsibility to vote but I suppose, in the circumstances, your decision to consistently oppose Brexit and then not ‘waste your shoe leather’ by actually voting tells it’s own story.

    At least we’ve seen the end of Corbyn, Swinson and possibly Farage but as MoP says...’time to work together’ and make the most of what, imo, is a bloody awful outcome.

    Hopefully we’ve hit rock bottom and a new party of centrism that we can both support might arise from the ashes...going to take a while though, at least five years, maybe another decade.
    I'll be a pensioner by then and happy to have all the free things that Labour wanted to give away off the magic money tree without having to contribute my pennyworth. So centrist, no: full blooded socialist vote for me by then, if I still own any shoes.

    NB my vote, had it been cast, would have led to the exact self same Conservative 18,500 majority over Labour in my constituency. LibDems couldn't even get out of 3rd place despite 6% swing to them from tory and Labour vote down by 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    I'll be a pensioner by then and happy to have all the free things that Labour wanted to give away off the magic money tree without having to contribute my pennyworth. So centrist, no: full blooded socialist vote for me by then, if I still own any shoes.

    NB my vote, had it been cast, would have led to the exact self same Conservative 18,500 majority over Labour in my constituency. LibDems couldn't even get out of 3rd place despite 6% swing to them from tory and Labour vote down by 5%.

    Youíll be a pensioner long before then...next year isnít it, given youíre just a year younger than me and the ĎAmster?

    My vote went much the same way...Tory got about 9,000 more than everyone else put together...itís the number of people who donít bother, despite being politically aware and knowledgeable, that frustrates me.

    Apparently Corbynís going to review the situation. Iíd done that by about eleven oíclock last night!

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