OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Manofpride]

Did the remainers know what they were voting for?

[Ram59]

It's not going to be plain sailing, but there are 2 sides to every argument. Just looking at a couple of situations.

Remainers talk as if trade with the EU would suddenly stop completely. If we had to resort to wto tariffs, because of the depreciation of the pound our prices would still be lower than 2 years ago. Remember goods from the EU would also attract tariffs bringing in greater revenue to our government than we send out.

My son hears scare stories at JLR about the tariffs hitting car sales in the EU. But JLR is massively outsold in this country by the likes of Audi, VW, Mercedes, BMW, etc. Surely JLR sales will increase in this country when all their competitors have to increase prices.this income for the government could be spent on subsidising industry and /or spending on the NHS.

As I've said many times, any bad deal will cost the EU more than the UK, but less proportionally. Importantly though, is the fact that the UK tariffs are negated by by the deflation of the pound, whilst eu goods more expensive because of the euro will become even more expensive with tariffs. Businesses throughout the EU are dreading a no deal.

[ramAnag]

Did the remainers know what they were voting for?

Clearly they knew more because they weren’t voting for a journey into the unknown but I take your point and those made by Ram59.
My point remains that most people were ill informed and misled. For me that brings the validity of the result into question but it makes a pleasant change to argue with with reasonable people on both sides who don’t just deal in rants and accusations.

P.S. Haven’t JLR just opted to move from the Midlands to Slovakia, Ram?

[Ram59]

Clearly they knew more because they weren’t voting for a journey into the unknown but I take your point and those made by Ram59.
My point remains that most people were ill informed and misled. For me that brings the validity of the result into question but it makes a pleasant change to argue with with reasonable people on both sides who don’t just deal in rants and accusations.

P.S. Haven’t JLR just opted to move from the Midlands to Slovakia, Ram?

They're transferring production of the some current vehicles to Slovakia, so they can free up space and labour to produce future electric and hydride vehicles in this country, which is where the future lies.

[ramAnag]

See the Director of the Institute of Fiscal Studies is saying that Maggie May’s pronouncements on the NHS benefitting from a ‘Brexit Dividend’ is...to paraphrase...utter bollux.
As far as I know the IFS is a politically independent organisation which specialises in ‘doing the maths’. Glad the NHS is getting some more money but I do wish the politicians would stop their shameless lies.

[Manofpride]

I do wish the politicians would stop their shameless lies.

I thought it was part of their job description!

[ramAnag]

I thought it was part of their job description!

You’re right of course...but Brexit was caused by the previous Tory PM trying to assert control over his Party and most of the current moves seem to be about the future of the existing PM rather than the future of the country. Fed up of it.

[Manofpride]

Got to admit although I want out, it's turning into a circus with extra clowns. I can't believe whats going on? what a bloody shambles it's turning into!

[ramAnag]

Got to admit although I want out, it's turning into a circus with extra clowns. I can't believe whats going on? what a bloody shambles it's turning into!

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear MoP and this has been a right pig’s ear from the beginning.

[Ram59]

See the Director of the Institute of Fiscal Studies is saying that Maggie May’s pronouncements on the NHS benefitting from a ‘Brexit Dividend’ is...to paraphrase...utter bollux.
As far as I know the IFS is a politically independent organisation which specialises in ‘doing the maths’. Glad the NHS is getting some more money but I do wish the politicians would stop their shameless lies.

This is the same director who said a week before the brexit vote that a vote to leave would result in an immediate fall in the stock market, a fall in investment and employment etc. He may be independent, but his ability to forecast is as bad as everyone else.

BTW, May is claiming that only part of the money will come from brexit and tax increases will have to be paid for the rest.