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[Andy_Faber]

Hold on...I actually agree with virtually all that Swale says about Brexit. I just think that he sometimes seem to take too much pleasure in telling us all how much he’s benefitting from it. It’s a bit like Farage building a career out of destroying our relationship with the EU and then benefitting from a huge EU pension.
I had a similar quandary when I was invited to train as an Ofsted inspector...I don’t believe in the system so I, non too politely, declined.
Probably stupid...I’d be a lot better off now and would have had a much less stressful job.
Of course we all have a responsibility to go out and earn our ‘corn’...it’s just the ‘bragging’ that ****** me off sometimes.

that was the bit I was referring to R

While you're here, and I ask because I respect your view even when I disagree: How do you assess the respective reactions to the misdemeanours of Jo Cox's husband and the 'gents' of the Presidents Club?

[ramAnag]

that was the bit I was referring to R

While you're here, and I ask because I respect your view even when I disagree: How do you assess the respective reactions to the misdemeanours of Jo Cox's husband and the 'gents' of the Presidents Club?

Okay, thanks for tossing me that ‘can of worms’. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own. Very complex isn’t it? Not helped by the fact that I’m unsure of exactly what the Cox guy is alleged to have done. Perhaps more accurate comparisons might be between Cox and Fallon - because they seem to have acted individually - and the Presidents Club with Oxfam - because they are examples of organisations possibly abusing power.
I’ll preface anything I say by establishing that I find any abuse of women or children by those who misuse their ‘power’, be that through physical strength or their ‘positional’ strength to be utterly deplorable.
Having said that I’ll add that I’m not naive enough to believe that women are always the innocent parties and I’m not about to start banging a drum for the new ‘sisterhood’ which seems to include more than it’s fair share of hypocrisy.
I detest boorish, lustful men who seem to feel they have the right to grope their ‘targets’ but frankly any woman who put herself in the position of dressing in a certain way to act as a ‘hostess/escort’ at any such event must be stupid at worst...naive at best...to believe she wouldn’t attract the kind of ‘attention’ which seems to have been forthcoming.
Incoming!!!

[Andy_Faber]

Okay, thanks for tossing me that ‘can of worms’. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own. Very complex isn’t it? Not helped by the fact that I’m unsure of exactly what the Cox guy is alleged to have done. Perhaps more accurate comparisons might be between Cox and Fallon - because they seem to have acted individually - and the Presidents Club with Oxfam - because they are examples of organisations possibly abusing power.
I’ll preface anything I say by establishing that I find any abuse of women or children by those who misuse their ‘power’, be that through physical strength or their ‘positional’ strength to be utterly deplorable.
Having said that I’ll add that I’m not naive enough to believe that women are always the innocent parties and I’m not about to start banging a drum for the new ‘sisterhood’ which seems to include more than it’s fair share of hypocrisy.
I detest boorish, lustful men who seem to feel they have the right to grope their ‘targets’ but frankly any woman who put herself in the position of dressing in a certain way to act as a ‘hostess/escort’ at any such event must be stupid at worst...naive at best...to believe she wouldn’t attract the kind of ‘attention’ which seems to have been forthcoming.
Incoming!!!

No need for a hard hat for any incoming from me, I just about agree. My enquiry, and Fallon/Cox is a good example, is because I see different spins being put on similar incidents, and it is relevant to Brexit because its a habit I see running right the way through the pre-
and post- Brexit mellee. In your example, Fallon got cast adrift whereas Cox almost appears to be getting a a sympathy vote - 'Jo cox was a wonderful woman therefore its OK for her husband to act inappropriately'. I think that is a bit pukemaking and ignores the impact his actions had on his 'victims'

[ramAnag]

No need for a hard hat for any incoming from me, I just about agree. My enquiry, and Fallon/Cox is a good example, is because I see different spins being put on similar incidents, and it is relevant to Brexit because its a habit I see running right the way through the pre-
and post- Brexit mellee. In your example, Fallon got cast adrift whereas Cox almost appears to be getting a a sympathy vote - 'Jo cox was a wonderful woman therefore its OK for her husband to act inappropriately'. I think that is a bit pukemaking and ignores the impact his actions had on his 'victims'

I’ve no idea what the impact was on his ‘victims’. I guess the difference is that he was a young unknown whose only claim to ‘fame’ is that his wife was ‘assassinated’ while Fallon was, ‘allegedly’ an elder statesman and leading figure amongst the Government/Establishment who should have known better.
Fine lines, lots of double standards and possibly a case, for many of us of ‘he who casts the first stone’ etc. I doubt we’ve all behaved perfectly in our lives but the past, as they say, ‘is a different country’.
It used to be said that power - along with wealth and fame - is the greatest aphrodisiac. Looking at the ***ploits of Farage, Fallon, Weinstein and the ludicrous Henry Bolton there really can be no other explanation and women must take their fair share of blame for that.

[swaledale]

Just to give you helping hand, shall I pm you a list of all the other forum posters who think similar to RA and I?

Do I give a **** about the others? No! Jeez I do have a laugh at the uninformed piffle that passes for debate on this thread and then the false righteousness which breaks out when a few simple facts are introduced.

Bragging eh? For those too dim to understand the point i was making was very simple - but given your and apparently others on here inability to understand it, its simply not worth the effort to explain.

Stick with your inaccurate conclusion you seem happy with it as indeed you seem happy to believe and accept many myths and inaccuracies.

Perals before swine!

[swaledale]

Hold on...I actually agree with virtually all that Swale says about Brexit. I just think that he sometimes seem to take too much pleasure in telling us all how much he’s benefitting from it. It’s a bit like Farage building a career out of destroying our relationship with the EU and then benefitting from a huge EU pension.
I had a similar quandary when I was invited to train as an Ofsted inspector...I don’t believe in the system so I, non too politely, declined.
Probably stupid...I’d be a lot better off now and would have had a much less stressful job.
Of course we all have a responsibility to go out and earn our ‘corn’...it’s just the ‘bragging’ that ****** me off sometimes.

Come on RA surely your a wee bit brighter than the others?

I'm a remainer pointing out the irony of those who lean towards or may even have voted for leave - the vast majority of the Brexit brigade hadn't a ****ing clue when they voted leave and will be mightily screwed when it happens, the irony is that many like me who can see that Brexit will be a disaster will be just fine!

[Andy_Faber]

Do I give a **** about the others? No! Jeez I do have a laugh at the uninformed piffle that passes for debate on this thread and then the false righteousness which breaks out when a few simple facts are introduced.

Bragging eh? For those too dim to understand the point i was making was very simple - but given your and apparently others on here inability to understand it, its simply not worth the effort to explain.

Stick with your inaccurate conclusion you seem happy with it as indeed you seem happy to believe and accept many myths and inaccuracies.

Perals before swine!

Perals? I should keep off the Covfefe Swale...

[ramAnag]

Come on RA surely your a wee bit brighter than the others?

I'm a remainer pointing out the irony of those who lean towards or may even have voted for leave - the vast majority of the Brexit brigade hadn't a ****ing clue when they voted leave and will be mightily screwed when it happens, the irony is that many like me who can see that Brexit will be a disaster will be just fine!

Don’t know about being a ‘wee bit brighter’ Swale, but I certainly hope I’m less arrogant than you.
Not sure what’s happened recently...people like you, Roger, Ella, VdLH, MoP and a few others were the reason I joined this forum. Some have disappeared since but others like Andy, mista, mac, MA and co. have filled the void and yes, there’s some crap talked sometimes by all of us but there have been some very reasonable debates too.
The sad thing for me is that you don’t recognise the damage you do your own ‘cause’. You are more capable than most, including me, of putting the pro Remain argument but you don’t. Your increasingly occasional appearances now seem designed just to belittle and antagonise people with your ‘I’m alright Jack’ and ‘if you voted Brexit you must be thick’ stances. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place, more tragic than ‘ironic’ imo.

[roger_ramjet]

Ooh er has the rear gunner turned his fire on the pilot!!! 😁😉😉

[Andy_Faber]

.....‘if you voted Brexit you must be thick’ stances.....

regrettably one of the biggest problems before and after the vote, and not just a Swale stance. There were a lot of 'easy to dislike' celebs/talking heads telling people what was good for them, and that doesn't go down well at all. Paul Mason, staunch Labourite journalist and a bloke I'd like on my side in an argument, was on the case of this yesterday, can't remember the show, saying in his opinion the message was focussed on the people who Remain HQ had in their line of sight when they decided on their tactics - young, Southern, diverse - forgetting that most of those people were Remain anyway, it was (I paraphrase) 'us old white working class people' (he included himself in that) that they should have found a way of talking with.