OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

Not sure if anyone's actually interest in a 'balanced view', but on my way into work I listen to Farming Today at 5:45. The BBC hacks are always gagging for a 'Brexit impact' soundbite from the people being featured, from traditional arable farmers through foresters to haulage people, and the responses almost without fail are sensible, balanced, well-considered - 'here's where I think the issues are, this is the lobbying I'm doing, this is the outcome I hope for, these are my tactics to survive and prosper in whatever outcome'. Our gate-leaning friends appear to be treating Brexit as just another bump in the road, alongside Bovine TB, wheat stem rust blight, swine fever etc and good for them.

[MadAmster]

Not sure if this had been mentioned before but..... in a recent interview, President Macron admitted that IF the French were to hold a referendum on EU membership they would vote out.........

The French of all people!! Those same French who should have been fined for most of the past 20 years for exceeding the allowed 3% overspend on GDP but haven't been, according to Juncker, because they are the French. Those same French who ignore (exceed) their fishing quota. Those same French whose farmers do so very well out of the CAP subsidies. Yes, those French. They want out.

Who would have thought we would be in agreement with the French

[Manofpride]

Sorry MadAmster but the remoaners will call this fake news! It's their favourite response!

[ramAnag]

Not sure if this had been mentioned before but..... in a recent interview, President Macron admitted that IF the French were to hold a referendum on EU membership they would vote out.........

The French of all people!! Those same French who should have been fined for most of the past 20 years for exceeding the allowed 3% overspend on GDP but haven't been, according to Juncker, because they are the French. Those same French who ignore (exceed) their fishing quota. Those same French whose farmers do so very well out of the CAP subsidies. Yes, those French. They want out.

Who would have thought we would be in agreement with the French

Who’s ‘we’ MA? Please don’t include around half of ‘us’ and haven’t you just ‘become’ Dutch on the back of the referendum. Don’t blame you...my youngest appears likely to ‘become’ German for much the same reasons.

As we’re in a grown up debate, on this thread thankfully at least, there is ‘evidence’ Andy...much of it may be anecdotal but amongst the business, finance and political fraternities there is a clear evidence of increasing dismay at the complexities and negatives emerging from the negotiations.
This should come as no real surprise. Since June 23rd 2016 what have we actually seen?
Well, putting it in an entirely ‘balanced’ - or at least truthful way - we now have...a declining retail sector, a weaker pound, increasing inflation, a shortage of some workers, including nurses, from the EU, the possible reemergence of the NI problem as a direct result of the Irish border issues and an appallingly weak and ineffective Government which has been totally sidetracked and overwhelmed by the Brexit issues for the last twenty months.

Of course the devil himself, a certain Mr. Farage, did predict all this when, strangely before the Referendum result went in his favour, he declared that a 52-48% result would never resolve the issue. For once he was right, though not in the way he could ever have envisaged, but I look forward to your attempts at redressing the ‘balance’ and telling us that all in the post referendum British garden is rosy.

[AdiSalisbury]

"a declining retail sector, a weaker pound, increasing inflation, a shortage of some workers, including nurses, from the EU, ... and an appallingly weak and ineffective Government"

This has been the case for the last 20 years, during our EU membership, which we still of course have.

[Manofpride]

Once we actually leave the EU we will be in a better place, a much better place!

[MadAmster]

Who’s ‘we’ MA? Please don’t include around half of ‘us’ and haven’t you just ‘become’ Dutch on the back of the referendum.

Born n bred rA. You can take the boy out of Britain........ Still consider myself a Brit and the double nationality is for purely selfish reasons like being able to travel freely with my Dutch born wife and children. The children also have dual nationality and are entitled to both passports.

[ramAnag]

"a declining retail sector, a weaker pound, increasing inflation, a shortage of some workers, including nurses, from the EU, ... and an appallingly weak and ineffective Government"

This has been the case for the last 20 years, during our EU membership, which we still of course have.

That is simply untrue Adi...on every single level, other than the fact that we still have EU membership.

Well I’ve given some examples of certain negatives that have happened since the referendum, MoP. Tell us why you’re so certain it’s all
going to be ‘better’.

I get the ‘born and bred’ bit MA...it’s the fact that you’ve had to ‘protect’ yourself and your family as a result of the Referendum result that I was getting at.

[AdiSalisbury]

It's not untrue though is it? Here's our pre-vote performance against the Euro:

31 Dec 1999 1.518977
31 Dec 2000 1.641533
31 Dec 2001 1.608037
31 Dec 2002 1.592554
31 Dec 2003 1.443022
31 Dec 2004 1.474036
31 Dec 2005 1.461216
31 Dec 2006 1.466612
31 Dec 2007 1.461786
31 Dec 2008 1.259467
31 Dec 2009 1.12246
31 Dec 2010 1.165737
31 Dec 2011 1.15258
31 Dec 2012 1.233263
31 Dec 2013 1.177964
31 Dec 2014 1.240494
31 Dec 2015 1.377982
31 Dec 2016 1.224833

That looks like a steady decline to me.

INFLATION RATES (column on right is average):

2017 1.8% 2.3% 2.3% 2.7% 2.9% 2.7% 2.6% 2.9% 2.9% 3% 3.1% 2.9% 2.7%
2016 0.3% 0.3% 0.5% 0.3% 0.3% 0.4% 0.6% 0.6% 1% 0.9% 1.2% 1.6% 0.7%
2015 0.3% 0% 0% -0.2% 0.1% 0% 0.1% 0.1% -0.1% -0.1% 0.2% 0.2% 0%
2014 2% 1.7% 1.6% 1.8% 1.5% 1.9% 1.6% 1.5% 1.2% 1.3% 0.9% 0.5% 1.5%
2013 2.6% 2.8% 2.8% 2.4% 2.7% 2.9% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.2% 2.1% 2% 2.6%
2012 3.6% 3.4% 3.5% 3% 2.7% 2.4% 2.5% 2.5% 2.2% 2.6% 2.7% 2.6% 2.8%
2011 4% 4.3% 3.9% 4.5% 4.5% 4.2% 4.5% 4.5% 5.1% 5% 4.8% 4.3% 4.5%
2010 3.4% 3% 3.4% 3.7% 3.5% 3.2% 3% 3.2% 3.1% 3.2% 3.2% 3.6% 3.3%
2009 3% 3.1% 2.9% 2.4% 2.1% 1.8% 1.9% 1.5% 1.2% 1.5% 2% 2.9% 2.2%
2008 2.2% 2.5% 2.5% 2.9% 3.4% 3.9% 4.4% 4.8% 5.1% 4.4% 4% 3% 3.6%
2007 2.7% 2.8% 3.2% 2.8% 2.4% 2.4% 1.9% 1.7% 1.7% 2.1% 2.1% 2.1% 2.3%
2006 1.9% 2.1% 1.8% 2.1% 2.3% 2.6% 2.3% 2.6% 2.4% 2.4% 2.7% 3% 2.3%
2005 1.6% 1.6% 1.8% 1.8% 2% 2% 2.4% 2.3% 2.5% 2.3% 2.2% 1.9% 2%
2004 1.5% 1.3% 1.1% 1.2% 1.5% 1.6% 1.5% 1.3% 1.1% 1.2% 1.4% 1.6% 1.3%
2003 1.4% 1.6% 1.6% 1.5% 1.2% 1.1% 1.2% 1.3% 1.5% 1.5% 1.3% 1.3% 1.4%
2002 1.5% 1.5% 1.5% 1.4% 0.8% 0.7% 1.1% 0.9% 0.9% 1.4% 1.5% 1.6% 1.2%
2001 1% 0.7% 1% 1.1% 1.6% 1.6% 1.5% 1.9% 1.4% 1.1% 0.8% 1.1% 1.2%
2000 0.7% 1% 0.6% 0.6% 0.6% 0.8% 0.8% 0.6% 1% 1.1% 1.1% 0.8% 0.8%

Another steady increase.

Our government are proven to be weak and ineffective in the EU, look at the wonderful deal that Cameron got that kick started this whole procedure off - even you must admit that? Sooner we're out, sooner we can look after ourselves.

[Andy_Faber]

It's not untrue though is it? Here's our pre-vote performance against the Euro:

31 Dec 1999 1.518977
31 Dec 2000 1.641533
31 Dec 2001 1.608037
31 Dec 2002 1.592554
31 Dec 2003 1.443022
31 Dec 2004 1.474036
31 Dec 2005 1.461216
31 Dec 2006 1.466612
31 Dec 2007 1.461786
31 Dec 2008 1.259467
31 Dec 2009 1.12246
31 Dec 2010 1.165737
31 Dec 2011 1.15258
31 Dec 2012 1.233263
31 Dec 2013 1.177964
31 Dec 2014 1.240494
31 Dec 2015 1.377982
31 Dec 2016 1.224833

That looks like a steady decline to me.

INFLATION RATES (column on right is average):

2017 1.8% 2.3% 2.3% 2.7% 2.9% 2.7% 2.6% 2.9% 2.9% 3% 3.1% 2.9% 2.7%
2016 0.3% 0.3% 0.5% 0.3% 0.3% 0.4% 0.6% 0.6% 1% 0.9% 1.2% 1.6% 0.7%
2015 0.3% 0% 0% -0.2% 0.1% 0% 0.1% 0.1% -0.1% -0.1% 0.2% 0.2% 0%
2014 2% 1.7% 1.6% 1.8% 1.5% 1.9% 1.6% 1.5% 1.2% 1.3% 0.9% 0.5% 1.5%
2013 2.6% 2.8% 2.8% 2.4% 2.7% 2.9% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.2% 2.1% 2% 2.6%
2012 3.6% 3.4% 3.5% 3% 2.7% 2.4% 2.5% 2.5% 2.2% 2.6% 2.7% 2.6% 2.8%
2011 4% 4.3% 3.9% 4.5% 4.5% 4.2% 4.5% 4.5% 5.1% 5% 4.8% 4.3% 4.5%
2010 3.4% 3% 3.4% 3.7% 3.5% 3.2% 3% 3.2% 3.1% 3.2% 3.2% 3.6% 3.3%
2009 3% 3.1% 2.9% 2.4% 2.1% 1.8% 1.9% 1.5% 1.2% 1.5% 2% 2.9% 2.2%
2008 2.2% 2.5% 2.5% 2.9% 3.4% 3.9% 4.4% 4.8% 5.1% 4.4% 4% 3% 3.6%
2007 2.7% 2.8% 3.2% 2.8% 2.4% 2.4% 1.9% 1.7% 1.7% 2.1% 2.1% 2.1% 2.3%
2006 1.9% 2.1% 1.8% 2.1% 2.3% 2.6% 2.3% 2.6% 2.4% 2.4% 2.7% 3% 2.3%
2005 1.6% 1.6% 1.8% 1.8% 2% 2% 2.4% 2.3% 2.5% 2.3% 2.2% 1.9% 2%
2004 1.5% 1.3% 1.1% 1.2% 1.5% 1.6% 1.5% 1.3% 1.1% 1.2% 1.4% 1.6% 1.3%
2003 1.4% 1.6% 1.6% 1.5% 1.2% 1.1% 1.2% 1.3% 1.5% 1.5% 1.3% 1.3% 1.4%
2002 1.5% 1.5% 1.5% 1.4% 0.8% 0.7% 1.1% 0.9% 0.9% 1.4% 1.5% 1.6% 1.2%
2001 1% 0.7% 1% 1.1% 1.6% 1.6% 1.5% 1.9% 1.4% 1.1% 0.8% 1.1% 1.2%
2000 0.7% 1% 0.6% 0.6% 0.6% 0.8% 0.8% 0.6% 1% 1.1% 1.1% 0.8% 0.8%

Another steady increase.

Our government are proven to be weak and ineffective in the EU, look at the wonderful deal that Cameron got that kick started this whole procedure off - even you must admit that? Sooner we're out, sooner we can look after ourselves.

Those stats are pretty powerful, I think I might pm them to Swale.