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[ramAnag]

‘Everyone hates Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnall/Thornberry. They hate what they are and what they represent.’

That’ll be why the Tories - in an unnecessary election called by May entirely because she sought to ‘seize the moment’ - got a whole 2.4% bigger share of the vote in 2017 - with exactly the same personnel of ‘Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell/Thornberry’ in charge - then will it Tricky?
Corbyn gained thirty seats while May lost thir**** if I remember correctly.

I’ve said time and time again that I don’t have much faith in three of those four, but compared with the likes of Johnson/Gove/Rees-Mogg/Raab/Leadsom/Cleverly and Patel they’re a breath of fresh air.

You go your way and I’ll go mine, Tricky. Little point in arguing...we’re never going to agree which, from my point of view, is a source of some relief.

[mistaram]

I'm afraid that I will have to interject with some sad news here Mista. By and large Swedish, German, Swiss etc employees work hard during the day and have always had high productivity "ratios" and efficiency. On the other hand the British worker, by and large, is different........ I wont go so far as say lazy feckers, but will leave it at "different".

Shutting down for an extra day is an interesting solution, and plausible if you are only working at 80% capacity. Then you would be OK and save those overheads. But if you are not working at 80% productivity, you will either lose sales, have to take on extra staff or pay overtime rates (and possibly run into problems with wthat orking time directive): all of which will cost you money.

But lets look on the bright side, if it costs you more to operate, your profits will be down and so you will pay less corporation tax!* Which of course means less money for the Exchequer money tree

* ah,maybe not, he will increase corporation tax too

Its just so much pie in the sky, blue sky admittedly, thinking. I don't see how all these changes (handouts) can mutually coexist without us having to go begging to the IMF in a few years (or months!)

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Geoff I wasn't referring to th Germans productivity I was stating the number of hours and days these countries work ,not to mention the extra holidays they If reducing hours doesn't increase efficiency and productivity by are Sweden saying it does Simplistic to say that British are lazy most of our productivity problems are caused by inefficient investment ,out dated machinery , poor training facilities etc Not sure how the working time directive would affect it Obviously it will be number one the Tories agenda if we leave the EU they hate anything that might give the workers a say in how they would like to work

[Trickytreesreds]

‘Everyone hates Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnall/Thornberry. They hate what they are and what they represent.’

That’ll be why the Tories - in an unnecessary election called by May entirely because she sought to ‘seize the moment’ - got a whole 2.4% bigger share of the vote in 2017 - with exactly the same personnel of ‘Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell/Thornberry’ in charge - then will it Tricky?
Corbyn gained thirty seats while May lost thir**** if I remember correctly.

I’ve said time and time again that I don’t have much faith in three of those four, but compared with the likes of Johnson/Gove/Rees-Mogg/Raab/Leadsom/Cleverly and Patel they’re a breath of fresh air.

You go your way and I’ll go mine, Tricky. Little point in arguing...we’re never going to agree which, from my point of view, is a source of some relief.

Breath of fresh air? WTF?

They want to recreate the 70's

No, you and I aren't on the same plain. You're correct there. I've had to work up to my elbows in ****/oil/water. My comprehension of grass roots working class, is a lot clearer than yours.
Bye.

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA I think you will find most people on here hate Johnson etc and the right wing bandwagon as well*. But it's not an exercise on whose dick is longer. Corbyn et al are equally objectionable. Just because there is someone equally bad out there, it doesn't mean you suddenly get better. It's a bit like asking whether you would rather die of a stroke or a heart attack. For me, neither please.

* except maybe Tricky, or MOP

I can't help feeling that your fear of the stroke is driving you straight into that heart attack.

A good sensible moderate socialist like you has no need to uphold one set of extremists over another. From what I understand of your constituency, neither lib or lab are likely to unseat the incumbent, so stick to your centre left principles and the libs, whilst hoping other constituencies will deliver your aim of a 2nd referendum. You can't do jack about it any more than I can in true blue Brexit supporting Reigate. Most of the country is disenfranchised at every election, rejoice in it and pray to the God's of PR

[ramAnag]

Breath of fresh air? WTF?

They want to recreate the 70's

No, you and I aren't on the same plain. You're correct there. I've had to work up to my elbows in ****/oil/water. My comprehension of grass roots working class, is a lot clearer than yours.
Bye.

Lol...TTR...the working class hero! I don’t think so, but before you run off with your tail between your legs...again!

Which bits of increasing the NHS budget by 4.3%, raising the minimum wage to £10 per hour, stopping the incessant rises in the state pension age, introducing a National Care Service, offering free bus travel to the U25’s and building 100,000 council houses a year are so objectionable to you...or for that matter trying to ‘recreate the 1970’s’?

Come to that...have Johnson and his cronies managed to come up with their manifesto yet? They spent so much time calling for an election you’d think they’d have some ideas by now rather than just insulting everyone else’s.

[Geoff Parkstone]

No parts of that sound individually nsane rA but it's the entirety of the aggregate that just makes no sense

[ramAnag]

rA I think you will find most people on here hate Johnson etc and the right wing bandwagon as well*. But it's not an exercise on whose dick is longer. Corbyn et al are equally objectionable. Just because there is someone equally bad out there, it doesn't mean you suddenly get better. It's a bit like asking whether you would rather die of a stroke or a heart attack. For me, neither please.

* except maybe Tricky, or MOP

I can't help feeling that your fear of the stroke is driving you straight into that heart attack.

A good sensible moderate socialist like you has no need to uphold one set of extremists over another. From what I understand of your constituency, neither lib or lab are likely to unseat the incumbent, so stick to your centre left principles and the libs, whilst hoping other constituencies will deliver your aim of a 2nd referendum. You can't do jack about it any more than I can in true blue Brexit supporting Reigate. Most of the country is disenfranchised at every election, rejoice in it and pray to the God's of PR

I accept you think I’m voting for the lesser of two evils GP and thanks for the compliment...well sort of.
That’s not my take...I do indeed regard the new Tory Party, that run by those I’ve mentioned, to be evil but while I’d question Corbyn and Co.’s competence their biggest fault may be idealism and I’ll take idealistic incompetence over malicious intent (and incompetence) every day.

The last (local council) elections here suggested that Labour stand a better chance than the Liberals. Not much chance I agree, but with the Brexit factor, Johnson’s unpopularity and the possibly mistaken decision to opt for an unknown Surrey based barrister to stand in for the retiring Patrick McLaughlin...you never know.

P.S. Bit unfair to ‘tar’ MoP with the same brush as TTR...aka the new working class hero. He’s the only one of us who’s ever got his hands dirty you know.

[Trickytreesreds]

Lol...TTR...the working class hero! I don’t think so, but before you run off with your tail between your legs...again!

Which bits of increasing the NHS budget by 4.3%, raising the minimum wage to £10 per hour, stopping the incessant rises in the state pension age, introducing a National Care Service, offering free bus travel to the U25’s and building 100,000 council houses a year are so objectionable to you...or for that matter trying to ‘recreate the 1970’s’?

Come to that...have Johnson and his cronies managed to come up with their manifesto yet? They spent so much time calling for an election you’d think they’d have some ideas by now rather than just insulting everyone else’s.

Run off with my tail between my legs?
Whatever, book boy.

Anyone can promise anything they want.
All of what you have highlighted comes at a cost.
Where the feck is that money coming from?

I've just watched them take that manifesto apart.
First thing you notice, they claim to be capable of raising £12 billion by taxing the rich. But have cut that net gain back to £5 billion as they expect half them to f off.
Now when they go, and take their investments/businesses/jobs with them, how much of that £5 billion lost making up for the payments in damge done?

They even left off the privatisation costs, though Jeremy says it will cost nothing, honest, swear to god, ask me mum.
Yet the CBI, claim it will cost £196 billion.
Now you're the king of quoting business assessments. WHO DO YOU BELIEVE?

Only an idiot would believe what Labour have promised is for the better. Like every time Labour is given a free reign with money, it turns to **** and we all suffer. WHICH LEADS RIGHT BACK TO YOUR MOANING ABOUT AUSTERITY.


So yes he yearns for the 70's. Remember that era? I do. Union power rules, 3 day working weeks, power cuts, cost of living ****e. This is what happens, when everything is returned to the people!!!

Remember, socialism works beautifully until someone ele's money runs out.

You say you're center left yet feel the need to defend Corbyns hair brained schemes? Unbelievable.

[mistaram]

I accept you think I’m voting for the lesser of two evils GP and thanks for the compliment...well sort of.
That’s not my take...I do indeed regard the new Tory Party, that run by those I’ve mentioned, to be evil but while I’d question Corbyn and Co.’s competence their biggest fault may be idealism and I’ll take idealistic incompetence over malicious intent (and incompetence) every day.

The last (local council) elections here suggested that Labour stand a better chance than the Liberals. Not much chance I agree, but with the Brexit factor, Johnson’s unpopularity and the possibly mistaken decision to opt for an unknown Surrey based barrister to stand in for the retiring Patrick McLaughlin...you never know.

P.S. Bit unfair to ‘tar’ MoP with the same brush as TTR...aka the new working class hero. He’s the only one of us who’s ever got his hands dirty you know.

RA just read this by Johnson's boss Dominic Cummings from a conference in 2018
He says " People think and by the way I also think people are right . The Tory party is run by people who basically don't care about the poor people . They don't care about the NHS and the public have now cottoned on to that fact

How friggin true

[Trickytreesreds]

RA just read this by Johnson's boss Dominic Cummings from a conference in 2018
He says " People think and by the way I also think people are right . The Tory party is run by people who basically don't care about the poor people . They don't care about the NHS and the public have now cottoned on to that fact

How friggin true

As far as the NHS goes, it is time it was removed from control by any government.
It is used as a political football by both sides, usually with false claims and lies. As it is the one thing that usually winds folks up, this has to stop.
It should be run by delegates from all parties, which has to account for itself and present its needs/budgetsto be discussed.
It also needs to be run better than it is. It's a white elephant on a run away cash train.
It's wasteful/top heavy with management/allows itself to be exploited.

I have had my monies worth and know first hand as to how good it is. It is however abused financially in many ways.
Time to stop this. Remove the politics and you remove the emotion over it.