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[Andy_Faber]

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear MoP and this has been a right pig’s ear from the beginning.

Au contraire, IMO the UK and EU govts have turned it into a snafu by being politicians, not looking for the deal. It could have been so simple. Ironically the big issue that EU would not move on (well one of two) might well be the issue that brings it down

[ramAnag]

Au contraire, IMO the UK and EU govts have turned it into a snafu by being politicians, not looking for the deal. It could have been so simple. Ironically the big issue that EU would not move on (well one of two) might well be the issue that brings it down

Agree that politicians manage to make a snafu of just about everything Andy, but one thing this could never have been was ‘simple’.
Dubious referendum result costs the political careers of the PM and Chancellor (albeit dreadful ones), followed by the appointment of ‘Remain’ supporting new PM and Chancellor to oversee a process which many of the public and most politicians and economic experts don’t believe in while antagonising our European neighbours and being constantly sniped at by the Foreign Secretary...never, ever simple.

P.S. Sadly Ram, Paul Johnson’s prediction’s weren’t that far off. Have you seen any recent economic forecasts? They seem a great deal more gloomy than they did a little over two years ago.

[Ram59]

Agree that politicians manage to make a snafu of just about everything Andy, but one thing this could never have been was ‘simple’.
Dubious referendum result costs the political careers of the PM and Chancellor (albeit dreadful ones), followed by the appointment of ‘Remain’ supporting new PM and Chancellor to oversee a process which many of the public and most politicians and economic experts don’t believe in while antagonising our European neighbours and being constantly sniped at by the Foreign Secretary...never, ever simple.

P.S. Sadly Ram, Paul Johnson’s prediction’s weren’t that far off. Have you seen any recent economic forecasts? They seem a great deal more gloomy than they did a little over two years ago.

I have to disagree, those forecasts before the vote were for an immediate reaction after the vote which simply did not happen. Why should we take any more notice of forcasts from the same people now?

Most forcasts have been proven wrong over the years, even current economic stats which have shown the country to be in recession and even a double dip recession, have been proven to be wrong a couple of years later.

Forcasts are an estimate from various indicators and assumptions, not fact.

The way I see brexit is that, hopefully, the grownups on both sides will see that it will be beneficial to both sides to continue to interact in a similar way to now but with the UK having a greater degree of independence. The EU will lose some of our contributions but get rid of a thorn in its side. We'll have to pay some of our contribution but with no say, but will have greater freedom. That is win win.

Remainers only see an end to all dealings with the EU, which would result in severe damage to our economy. This will not happen because to many industries throughout the EU rely on the UK.

[MadAmster]

I can see Dutch companies starting to put the same sort of pressure on the Dutch Government that German ones are putting on Merkel. 2017 Trade figures were released today. The Dutch made €22.7 BILLION profit in 2017 in their trade with the UK. They aren't going to want that damaging as it is the Dutch and the Germans who will pick up most of the bill to fill the hole in the EU budget that the UK's leaving will create. The Dutch already have one the highest taxation rates in the world. It can't go up by a lot, if at all, or people will have less to spend, profits will fall and VAT and other tax income will fall.......

There could have been a deal thrashed out that would have suited just about everyone, both in the UK and the EU. Thanks to those involved in what they laughingly refer to as "negotiations" have well and trult kerfuffed it up. All to save their own face. Mayhem et al on the UK side and Banier, Juncker et al on the EU side.

The solution? I wish I had one other than getting rid of the dumbasses doing the talking and putting some "real people" in there as opposed to the puppets we currently have.

[ramAnag]

I have to disagree, those forecasts before the vote were for an immediate reaction after the vote which simply did not happen. Why should we take any more notice of forcasts from the same people now?

Most forcasts have been proven wrong over the years, even current economic stats which have shown the country to be in recession and even a double dip recession, have been proven to be wrong a couple of years later.

Forcasts are an estimate from various indicators and assumptions, not fact.

The way I see brexit is that, hopefully, the grownups on both sides will see that it will be beneficial to both sides to continue to interact in a similar way to now but with the UK having a greater degree of independence. The EU will lose some of our contributions but get rid of a thorn in its side. We'll have to pay some of our contribution but with no say, but will have greater freedom. That is win win.

Remainers only see an end to all dealings with the EU, which would result in severe damage to our economy. This will not happen because to many industries throughout the EU rely on the UK.

Can only say, I would love you to be right Ram but I have my doubts. Unfortunately most of the financial ‘experts’ seem to be similarly doubtful.
Not sure how old you are but, at 64, if Brexit goes ahead I’m not expecting a recovery during my life time.

[ramAnag]

Going really well this, isn’t it? Now the gruesome twosome have Dexited and Jexited can we please show some common sense and just exit Brexit? It’s just a disaster we can’t afford that has already cost us two years and a fortune.

[Andy_Faber]

Going really well this, isn’t it? Now the gruesome twosome have Dexited and Jexited can we please show some common sense and just exit Brexit? It’s just a disaster we can’t afford that has already cost us two years and a fortune.

I actually think this increases the likelihood of a hard or no deal Brexit, not to mention an election or two and probably a hung parliament. At the risk of awakening the Kraken i think I’ll vote Lib Dem this time round

[Andy_Faber]

Going really well this, isn’t it? Now the gruesome twosome have Dexited and Jexited can we please show some common sense and just exit Brexit? It’s just a disaster we can’t afford that has already cost us two years and a fortune.

I was listening to Robert Peston as I trundled past Lyon on Saturday and he made the very good point that many of those fools who voted leave don’t think they could get any poorer so the concept of it costing ‘us’ a fortune is irrelevant.

[ramAnag]

I actually think this increases the likelihood of a hard or no deal Brexit, not to mention an election or two and probably a hung parliament. At the risk of awakening the Kraken i think I’ll vote Lib Dem this time round

Welcome aboard Andy...but make your mind up. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you...vote ‘Remain’...then make a case for ‘Leave’...and now you’re going to vote for the only Party who are entirely opposed to Brexit?

[Andy_Faber]

Welcome aboard Andy...but make your mind up. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you...vote ‘Remain’...then make a case for ‘Leave’...and now you’re going to vote for the only Party who are entirely opposed to Brexit?

There’s more going on than Brexit and the Lib Dem’s tick a lot of my boxes as a capitalist with a social conscience. Now there’s a gobful of contradictions!