OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[AdiSalisbury]

Say what you like about Trump he's as honest as they come, a man who knows what he's doing... whereas clinton....

Dear god man I hope that's tongue in cheek and not what you believe. I've recently returned from USA and all his propaganda is about him being a man of the people, not like Clinton in her ivory tower... he could not be any more dishonest. I feel for them, never has voting for the lesser of 2 evils been more apt!

[ramAnag]

Nail on the head Adi.
As regards 'facts' and 'lies' etc...it's interesting that, on CNN at least, they now run a 'fact checker' to determine the level of plausibility or otherwise of the claims being made by the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates.
Really wish we'd had something like that for Brexit...or Rats.
What I find most disturbing is that, although Clinton has massive support amongst Afro-Amercans and is clearly ahead as far as the female vote is concerned, Trump is still more attractive to a small majority of white males...terrifying!

[Ram59]

What concerns me is that we could have Trump's finger on one button and Putin's finger on the other one.

[southernram22]

i will remind you about your statement when trump presses the button it says a lot about a nation who allow guns to be bought over a counter to kill people then say its our constitutional right !!!!

[DCFCArmy]

Trump isn't as bad as CNN say he is.

Clinton is the one who is the shady one, she's the one who has a temper, she hides it well though, she's threatened reporters and even said she'd beat one up if they carried on taking pictures, Trumps never resorted to that level of childish behaviour has he?

Americans have had their guns since the beginning of their history, they've always had their constitutional rights and taking that away would be in breach of their human rights.

[ramAnag]

Trump isn't as bad as CNN say he is.

Clinton is the one who is the shady one, she's the one who has a temper, she hides it well though, she's threatened reporters and even said she'd beat one up if they carried on taking pictures, Trumps never resorted to that level of childish behaviour has he?

Americans have had their guns since the beginning of their history, they've always had their constitutional rights and taking that away would be in breach of their human rights.

Clinton may well be 'shady' but, unlike Trump, she's not delusional, hasn't been made bankrupt six times and doesn't claim tax avoidance to be an indicator of a 'brilliant' business brain.
The fact that 'Americans have had guns since the beginning of their history' is no real argument is it? It's not the 'wild west' anymore. Sure it may be necessary for farmers and ranchers to keep firearms at home, the wildlife being potentially more menacing than our foxes and hedgehogs, but beyond that what's the justification?
Interesting that as you approach the border with so called 'lawless' Mexico there are countless signs reminding US citizens that it is illegal to carry guns and ammo into Mexico. Doesn't reflect very favourably on the US, imo.

[DCFCArmy]

Clinton may well be 'shady' but, unlike Trump, she's not delusional, hasn't been made bankrupt six times and doesn't claim tax avoidance to be an indicator of a 'brilliant' business brain.
The fact that 'Americans have had guns since the beginning of their history' is no real argument is it? It's not the 'wild west' anymore. Sure it may be necessary for farmers and ranchers to keep firearms at home, the wildlife being potentially more menacing than our foxes and hedgehogs, but beyond that what's the justification?
Interesting that as you approach the border with so called 'lawless' Mexico there are countless signs reminding US citizens that it is illegal to carry guns and ammo into Mexico. Doesn't reflect very favourably on the US, imo.

Yet cops can still carry them? the army can still carry them, even though we're told there's no need for war anymore, if the public have to give them up shouldn't the police as well?

[southernram22]

deluded

[essexred52]

Is this Derby's way of fighting depression?

[ramAnag]

No es***, it's called intelligent, adult debate while the football has gone quiet...or at least it was until DCFCArmy joined in and started writing nonsense.
Wtf has the police and the army being armed got to do with whether ordinary US citizens should or should not have a constitutional right to arm themselves?