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Hi there, ibj's Dad.Originally Posted by 1875STEVE
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Thanks for that Steve. Do you remember how many games into Stubbs' reign it was before the improvements were seen. We only gave him 14 games so did our chairman pull the trigger too soon. Or maybe it's just a case of some managers excel at some clubs and stink at others, one of the best examples of course being the abject failure of Cloughie at Leeds in the 70s while he walked on water at Derby and Forest.
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Thanks for that read 1875STEVE.
Good luck in the Semi-Final, who would you prefer in the Final if you get there ? Celtic or Rangers.
Rangers and a re-run of last season.....same result of course.
Last edited by Casper64Frank; 19-04-2017 at 05:25 AM. Reason: Spelling mistake, altered so Ellis_D doesn't shout at me lol.
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Dad knew his football but his name wasn't 'Steve'.....but a little bit of what Steve said - this year - and we'd be fine........what Steve said....
"Im sorry, but you are so far off the mark.
Season 1 - Stubbs inherited a club in absolute meltdown, with a squad of absolute garbage. He took over with just weeks to go until the season started, and had something like 6 players, after the previous lot had been paid off, severly restricting his budget.
The league also included Rangers & Hearts.
Rangers budget easily eclipsed ours by 5x and probably more.
Hearts had come out of administration, with a clean slate, not having to pay players off, and walked away from £40m of debt, shafting charity's and local business in the process - leaving them free to build.
In season 1 we finished ABOVE Rangers, in any other circumstance, you finish above them, you win the league. We then lost the play off to Rangers.
Season 2 - Rangers still in the league, we pegged them back from an 12 point lead, then collapsed. We then in the play offs lost in the worst way, two howling referee mistakes (and a last min goal). We also got to both the League Cup Final & the FA Cup Final, losing the league cup final (with another last min goal), but breaking our hoodoo of a 114 year wait for the FA Cup. We also qualified for europe.
Season 3 - Off the back of Stubbs winning the cup, our crowds go up 60%, We sell 11,500 season tickets, with an average crowd of 15,500, we were hitting 8,000 when stubbs took over.
Hibs win the league, as now, by far the biggest club in the division, with a budget 2-3x bigger than anyone else) but the attacking football Stubbs introduced has been replaced with eye bleeding ****!!
We go back to Hampden on Saturday for another FA Cup semi final, on the verge of selling out half the national stadium, while Aberdeen in the league above have sold little more than half what we have.
8,000 ST sales already for next season.
17,000 at our home game last sat.
90% of the squad was Stubbs built.....
Lennon obviously gets Kudos for finally getting us up and has done a good job, but Stubbs is no dud.
And he's a "Numpty" in Rotherham sadly
With SOME fans even now !
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Listen, lbj, I don't even think Stubbs is a terrible manager, never have. I just think he did a terrible job for us. Sometimes a face fits at a club, and sometimes it doesn't. Rafa Benitez was loved at Liverpool, HATED at Chelsea, but loved again at Newcastle. CAMiller has already mentioned Clough. Another example is Nigel Pearson - did a great job at Leicester, laid the groundwork for Ranieri to win the title, but he was terrible and sacked at Derby.
Obviously Stubbs isn't in the class of any of those mentioned. He is probably an average manager, he did well at Hibs (though never managed to get them promoted with 2nd/3rd biggest budget in their division), but he was a million miles away from getting it right with us. We were sh1t under him, he made terrible signings, spent the rest of the budget we had left on sh!te players meaning not much left for Warne to get anyone decent in. And regardless of how much you continue to delude yourself, we were showing no signs of improvement under him. Your only claim for this is us playing well against a Newcastle team who were off form that day, and we still only managed one shot on target against them. We were already relegated if Stubbs had stayed. Jackett and Warne have certainly done nothing to improve us. But I'm certain that Ferguson or Mourinho would have struggled to sort out the mess that Stubbs left us in and keep us up.
Oh, and Casper, I'd never shout at you!
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What happened to this....!
We hit the woodwork twice v Newcastle pressured them and were unlucky not to win !
We were showing signs of improvement - the worst players were dropped under AS and the defence was swapped and changed to ascertain the best system - but new blood was needed in the first window ! Any manager deserves that particularly with the constraints AS worked with.....nah Stubbs is just a scapegoat for TS throwing the towel in!
This is how he conned Stubbs to come to Rotherham -
Rotherham United: Everton effect on Millers’ new training ground
The site in Brinsworth awaiting development
13 June 2016
A 55-acre site, 10 full-size grass pitches, gymnasiums, swimming pools, physiotherapy rooms, a spa and a sauna.
They were new Rotherham United boss Alan Stubbs’ daily surroundings before he moved into management, so he knows better than most what a quality training ground should be like.
The Liverpudlian was a coach with Everton whose Finch Farm operation in Knowsley, Merseyside, is held up as a shining example of a top-class purpose-built facility.
Now, he is relishing the prospect of using what he learned with the Premier League side to help the Millers as they look to build a new training complex of their own.
Chairman Tony Stewart is planning to develop 14 acres of land he owns on Bawtry Road, Brinsworth, to give Rotherham an HQ that befits their Championship status.
Stubbs said: “That’s exciting for me as a manager and a coach. The club has the chance to design it and plan it from scratch.”
The centre will match the £15 million Everton HQ which opened in 2007 in everything but size and will be a far cry from the Millers’ current base at Roundwood where they have two pitches and some of their activities take place in portable buildings.
The Millers’ entire playing operation, from youth to first team, will be housed at the new complex which will undoubtedly help in attracting higher-calibre players to the club.
Stubbs’ knowledge will be an asset to his new employers as they embark on a project expected to take up to three years.
“I worked at Everton as a coach and they have a fantastic training facility, so I have some ideas already,” said the man who joined Rotherham earlier this month after two years managing Scottish FA Cup holders Hibernian.
“But we will be asking a lot of people’s opinions. We will be travelling to all the new training complexes to see what they offer and we’ll pick out the best bits and what’s most suitable for us.
“It’s a great position to be in. This is an the opportunity to build a bespoke facility that best fits the needs of the club.”
Among Finch Farm’s 10 pitches is one with floodlights while another is built to exactly the same dimensions as the one at Goodison Park where the Merseysiders play their home games There is also a floodlit synthetic surface
There is also a media centre and video lounges which house a video-editing suite.
Stewart built the Millers’ AESSEAL New York Stadium, which has won nothing but plaudits since it opened four seasons ago, and is aiming for similar standards with his latest venture.
“I like to think we got it right with New York,” he said. “And I’d like to think we’ll get it just as right with the new training ground as well.”
Rotherham rent Roundwood from Tata Steel, enjoy a close relationship with their landlord and are content to remain there while their new home is under development.
“The most important thing about Roundwood is that the pitches are very good,” Stubbs said. “We have other options for gyms and pools.”
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