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Thread: Time for Refs to be hauled out an explain their decisions

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    Time for Refs to be hauled out an explain their decisions

    Hiding behind the smokescreen is only encouraging these idiots to make decisions based on guesswork or worse. Robertson should have been on telly to explain why he awarded a penalty when he was in a clear position to see no contact, and also explain why he booked the wrong player.

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    I don't think they should be dragged out in front of the full glare of TV cameras tbh. I think there should be analysis of decisions and an SFA ref spokesman to give the version of what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AguyIknow View Post
    I don't think they should be dragged out in front of the full glare of TV cameras tbh. I think there should be analysis of decisions and an SFA ref spokesman to give the version of what happened.
    Disagree totally, any ref who is honest enough to admit to making a genuine mistake, wouldnt have a problem saying they now see where they went wrong, its the ones like Madden, Collum and Robertson who are dishonest and make decisions based on which club they are refereeing, that should worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AguyIknow View Post
    I don't think they should be dragged out in front of the full glare of TV cameras tbh. I think there should be analysis of decisions and an SFA ref spokesman to give the version of what happened.
    f**k them they get paid enough

    anybody can make a mistake, I accept that, but this is sheer incompetence or worse

    add the penalty we didnt get agenst the hvvns( stonewaller) and one begins to wonder

    and I dont give a flying funk if the leage is won by 30 points or a hundred points..if hes that stupid he shouldnt be reffing premier league games.. a part time sunday league ref wouldnt have given that,if they cant do their jobs fuvvvking move over and let somebody in who can

    more to the point tho...was the linesman a deaf a dumb mute ffs...........whats the pointof them being their if they aint gonna call what they see.......reminds me of the semi v ICT 2 years back when the third official was 3 yards away from the most obvious hand ball I have ever seen in my 57 years,, and he reverted to the deaf dumb and blind act to

    Thats why were paranoid indeed !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boowho View Post
    f**k them they get paid enough

    anybody can make a mistake, I accept that, but this is sheer incompetence or worse

    add the penalty we didnt get agenst the hvvns( stonewaller) and one begins to wonder

    and I dont give a flying funk if the leage is won by 30 points or a hundred points..if hes that stupid he shouldnt be reffing premier league games.. a part time sunday league ref wouldnt have given that,if they cant do their jobs fuvvvking move over and let somebody in who can

    more to the point tho...was the linesman a deaf a dumb mute ffs...........whats the pointof them being their if they aint gonna call what they see.......reminds me of the semi v ICT 2 years back when the third official was 3 yards away from the most obvious hand ball I have ever seen in my 57 years,, and he reverted to the deaf dumb and blind act to

    Thats why were paranoid indeed !!
    Get over it FFS. Until we introduce video technology, this will continue to be an issue.

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    Personally I hope video technology is introduced sooner rather than later. There's huge fortunes won and lost, not to mention people being put out of a job, on the strength of some very dubious decisions year after year. And even the pundits who suckle at the teat of Scottish Fitba accept Scottish Fitba is becoming more and more open to ridicule thanks to some absolutely bizarre officiating. This ties into reduced income in TV and sponsorship deals.

    The quicker we have video evidence in use the better. And I don't buy the "it'll delay the game and have it all stop-start" pish either. See the delay after the penalty was awarded on Sunday with various players taking ages to calm down over and back. Simple decision from the 4th official watching on TV would have taken just seconds and been way quicker - it would also have led to calmer heads knowing that the right decision whatever it may be would be taken.

    Ball over the line, and penalties initially, but I'd also like to see it used for Offsides in the event of a "goal". Let the linesman concentrate on spotting fouls or dives or which way the shy should go.

    It might also help alleviate the paranoia knowing that the 4th Official will make a decision on TV evidence which will be available to all sides afterward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AguyIknow View Post
    Personally I hope video technology is introduced sooner rather than later. There's huge fortunes won and lost, not to mention people being put out of a job, on the strength of some very dubious decisions year after year. And even the pundits who suckle at the teat of Scottish Fitba accept Scottish Fitba is becoming more and more open to ridicule thanks to some absolutely bizarre officiating. This ties into reduced income in TV and sponsorship deals.

    The quicker we have video evidence in use the better. And I don't buy the "it'll delay the game and have it all stop-start" pish either. See the delay after the penalty was awarded on Sunday with various players taking ages to calm down over and back. Simple decision from the 4th official watching on TV would have taken just seconds and been way quicker - it would also have led to calmer heads knowing that the right decision whatever it may be would be taken.

    Ball over the line, and penalties initially, but I'd also like to see it used for Offsides in the event of a "goal". Let the linesman concentrate on spotting fouls or dives or which way the shy should go.



    It might also help alleviate the paranoia knowing that the 4th Official will make a decision on TV evidence which will be available to all sides afterward.



    its not just Scotland and its not just Celtic ( although we do get some fuvvvking shockers)

    athletico madrid got a pen v leicester in their first round game that was 2 yards outside the box

    I mean there has to be a referee watch, it seems certain refs can make mistake after mistake at the highest level and there never seem to be any direct personal sanctions or consequences.

    I am not for crucifying people who make genuine mistakes.......but fuvvvk me there are millions at stake for clubs and punters alike,, in everyday life if sumone isnt good at their job they arent in it for to long,,why should this profession be any diffrent ?

    unfortunitly the only sensible decision would be the introduction of TV replay ( like rugby and cricket and now baseball) it the only way !!

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    Introducing TV analysis would be a mistake, sometimes your team gets a decision in their favour, sometimes they don't. If you don't like it, go & watch Baseball or some other shyte.

    We can't be stopping games every two minutes to analyse the decisions of the referee, it would totally kill the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mook1 View Post
    Introducing TV analysis would be a mistake, sometimes your team gets a decision in their favour, sometimes they don't. If you don't like it, go & watch Baseball or some other shyte.

    We can't be stopping games every two minutes to analyse the decisions of the referee, it would totally kill the game.

    See this "We can't be stopping games every two minutes to analyse the decisions of the referee" nonsense is just that - nonsense. And it's regularly trotted out by the luddites who don't want things to change for the better. The rammy last weekend when Ross County were awarded a penalty took much longer to settle down than would have been the case had the 4th official spoken into the refs earpiece saying he made a mistake. Both sides would know that further remonstrations would be futile as it was called using video evidence by the 4th official.
    Boyce would have been taking the penalty (or not in this case) a lot quicker than he did last Sunday. And it would calm down the hotheads on both sides from feeling aggrieved or not being called a cheat or being cheated knowing that the video evidence was there to give the right decision.

    "goals" could be rightly called back or allowed for marginal offside decisions
    "penalties" could be checked for contact before the ball and in or outside of the box

    These are big decisions that change games and they need to be gotten right. Alas, more and more they're gotten wrong in Scottish fitba. I thought the ref on Sunday had done a decent job up to the time he awarded the penalty, and then it all got out of hand. He clearly lost the respect of the players and his composure with it, after being put in a no win situation by a cheat who clearly dived. The fact his linesman didn't put him right underlines just how useless some of these clowns can be.

    And I heard that he got 850 quid for reffing the game. That's nice work if you can get it!

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    The English FA are bringing in video analysis for next season's FA Cup so inevitable the technology will be expanded if it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taintedice View Post
    The English FA are bringing in video analysis for next season's FA Cup so inevitable the technology will be expanded if it works.
    Did you find that information on the Essex FA's website, fatty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taintedice View Post
    The English FA are bringing in video analysis for next season's FA Cup so inevitable the technology will be expanded if it works.
    I believe under the English FA the referees need to declare an interest in a particular football team which means they'll never be allowed ref a competitive match involving said team. That protects the team involved and the ref himself from accusations of bias. It all seems rather sensible to me to be honest but listening to Nasal Keevins the other night in Scotland it would just descend into a "what school did you go to" question. I honestly believed Scotland in general had moved way beyond that, and even the antiquated SFA were beyond that kind of thing. According to Keevins though we're not :-(

    Surely refs don't just follow one of two or three teams in Scotland. Would it not be possible to declare an interest in Team A, and ref all the other clubs but not Team A?

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    Half the enjoyment of Fitba is the rammies & debate over decisions, take that away & add the stopping/starting for tv evidence & you're looking at a different version of the game we know & love. People often watch slow motion replays on the telly & still disagree about decisions, what happens then, ask scientists to get involved? As I said earlier, if you don't like it, away & watch cricket or one of those daft American sports with the Budweiser advert every three minutes.

    If the English FA are bringing it in, then that backs my point up even more, a bigger set of clowns you would be hard pushed to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mook1 View Post
    Half the enjoyment of Fitba is the rammies & debate over decisions, take that away & add the stopping/starting for tv evidence & you're looking at a different version of the game we know & love. People often watch slow motion replays on the telly & still disagree about decisions, what happens then, ask scientists to get involved? As I said earlier, if you don't like it, away & watch cricket or one of those daft American sports with the Budweiser advert every three minutes.

    If the English FA are bringing it in, then that backs my point up even more, a bigger set of clowns you would be hard pushed to find.
    And still you persist with the nonsense of adding time for stopping and starting when there'd be none.
    There's still plenty people enjoying sport knowing that the percentage of correct decisions is improving. Unlike you, I don't know anyone who goes along to a match to see how much the officials can get wrong. The vast majority of paying punters, and sponsors, and TV companies showing matches want to see who's the better team, who's scored the valid goals to win it. They don't go with the "I hope it's a controversial winner so we'll have something to talk about after" routine. In fact it's an oft repeated wish that folk say they hope that whatever the outcome it won't come down to a bad decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AguyIknow View Post
    I believe under the English FA the referees need to declare an interest in a particular football team which means they'll never be allowed ref a competitive match involving said team. That protects the team involved and the ref himself from accusations of bias

    Surely refs don't just follow one of two or three teams in Scotland. Would it not be possible to declare an interest in Team A, and ref all the other clubs but not Team A?
    This part in bold is utter, utter b0llocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AguyIknow View Post
    And still you persist with the nonsense of adding time for stopping and starting when there'd be none.

    There's still plenty people enjoying sport knowing that the percentage of correct decisions is improving. Unlike you, I don't know anyone who goes along to a match to see how much the officials can get wrong. The vast majority of paying punters, and sponsors, and TV companies showing matches want to see who's the better team, who's scored the valid goals to win it. They don't go with the "I hope it's a controversial winner so we'll have something to talk about after" routine. In fact it's an oft repeated wish that folk say they hope that whatever the outcome it won't come down to a bad decision.
    How would the part in bold work then? Would they go back in time to watch the replays?

    The second paragraph is just a load of utter shyte, of course I think Football should be fair but I don't think it's so unfair at the moment that it needs changing an awful lot. Sometimes referees get things wrong, life goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mook1 View Post
    How would the part in bold work then? Would they go back in time to watch the replays?

    The second paragraph is just a load of utter shyte, of course I think Football should be fair but I don't think it's so unfair at the moment that it needs changing an awful lot. Sometimes referees get things wrong, life goes on.

    if you think "of course Football should be fair" why are you railing so much against the introduction of video evidence? claiming that it would somehow cause a (currently smooth running?) game to become stop start, have endless delays and even infomercials or whatever those damn things are called?
    Nobody is suggesting doing away with fitba as we know it - just use a technology which already exists and is beamed into fans livingrooms anyway to ensure that the correct and fair (see above) decision is made. It's a very straight forward concept for all but the luddites.


    If a ref declares he's a Hibs fan for instance, then as long as he's reffing games that don't involve Hibs then he's unlikely to get the accusations of bias he currently gets is he?

    You really are getting all nervous and shifty about something that is for the betterment of the game. Nobody has anything to fear from transparency surely?

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    Aye, you're probably right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mook1 View Post
    Aye, you're probably right.
    Correct! Just bear that in mind in future and it'll prevent you from looking silly so often

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