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People go to food banks because it's free, they create their own demand, plus the money you save on food you can spend on other stuff, the idea that people are starving is as ridiculous as the green lobby claiming 40,000 people die from pollution every year in the UK.
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Do you wanna disprove that then? where's your evidence? Why do you think that there's an action being considered to take all deisel cars off the road because of the danger of particulates from deisel engines.....why are you against a lobby which is trying to save lives?Originally Posted by great_fire
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This is exactly how it works.
And as a result we are losing what is estimated to be somewhere between £100 - £130 BILLION pounds per year through aggressive tax avoidance. Approx £14 billion is lost to our economy through deliberate tax fraud.
This compares to approx £1.2 billion lost through benefits fraud.
Which one do we hear people getting most worked up about?
The reason why relates to why Corbyn gets so much stick. It is because the media focus endlessly on benefit cheats, making it seem to the people who aren't able to discern the difference between 'newspaper reality' and 'actual reality' that a serious hole is made within our finances that would be rectified if we were more rigorous on benefits cheats.
The same intensity is lacking from the media on tax evasion. One can speculate why this might be, but it is fact, not opinion or conspiracy to point out that many senior corporation heads, media owners and politicians are close acquaintances, even family friends whose kids went to the same (usually very expensive schools) together. It's a very tight knit community. Almost an...establishment.
Therefore, yes as Redshank says, politicians use accountant firms to create the horribly complicated tax laws, and then the very same people who created the laws are employed by the corporations to avoid paying tax for our schools, hospitals and services. But crucially, the media owners, themselves part of this 'upper cliche' deliberately and cynically avoid publishing stories that would initiate a public backlash as then the politicians would have to do something about it. Owen Jones, himself primarily a journalist goes into more specific details as to how this works with examples.
Exactly the same principles are at work with Corbyn. As people have said on this thread, it's extremely unlikely to use and I'd be the last to call him an outstanding politician. But look at the reporting of the Tory's new policy to limit energy hikes. When Miliband put this exact same policy out beforethe 2015 election it was "socialist madness" etc in the Mail, Express, Sun. Exactly the same policy is rolled by May, exactly the same: but the same newspapers are headlining this as "solid leadership", "sensible" etc! Google the headline difference - it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sickening!
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MMM theres a young woman beggar in Rotherham she collects around £50-60 / day, she then purchases drugs in broad daylight and then goes down to the food bank.
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I know there is, absolutely there's people that will take advantage, and we should really try hard to eradicate this, but for every one of them there's many many honest, hard working people who use them, why didn't you bring them up gm? You're peddling to the tory narrative that's why, why can't you tories see the damage that your party is actually doing to the British people? real damage. My reply to Gf was more to do with his ascertian that lives arent lost through air pollution though.
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Completely agree mate, shame the others are so blinkered.
No one wants a communist state, all i want is fairness, above board old fashioned honesty, where the important stuff we have to rely on everyday is in state hands, energy/water etc.
Talking off old fashioned openness and honesty, where's that comparison of expenses claims between Labour and conservative leaders......
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The growth and popularity of food banks proves nothing other than that if you offer something for free, people will take it. It's understandable. If you don't have the cash for the luxuries in life, and someone ofers you the necessities for free, you're going to take them and free up some cash. I dare say if my life had worked out differently, I'd do the same.
Irrespective of your view on taxation, the only sensible and workable approach is pragmatism. The big corporations get to choose where they base their operations and pay their tax in a global economy. What Corbyn wants to do is make it more expoensive for them to do it here. That can be done, but the end result seems inevitable - we'll get a larger proportion of a rapidly diminishing pie. Less tax revenue, not more. We have to work with the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be.
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Sensible Lasterman, but we should sort the tax laws out to stop the dodging, even without raising taxes, making corporations actually pay their dues would free up a tremendous amount of money.....
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What a pathetic joke Corbyn is..
He ought to be on our technical committee which is also made up of people living in the 70s
It's the worst manifesto I have ever heard about and guarantees an election annihilation..
The underclass will vote for Labour in the hope of some more free food and assuming they can get out of bed before 9pm..that's about it.
Oh..and of course MMMAGIC will be putting his Mark next to Labour.
We have had all the stuff Corbyn wants before and it all failed miserably and has been rejected..We don't want the 70 s back..it's 2017.
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Stalker stalker stalker...actually Kempo, this thread has been quite refreshing, with decent debate all round i'd say, please don't besmirch it with your inane attempts at wit.....now trot off to rant about peanuts somewhere there's a good chap.....
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