Sam Rush...what next?

[Rattea]

Really? Is football the only industry where a player/employee might be earning two or three times more than the guy in charge/boss who selects/praises/criticises/drops/directs him? Bonkers.

No not even close. Quite naive to think that.

Sales sales men can be on far more than their manager if they are good.
IT many specialists are on more than managers.
Doctors are managed but will earn far more than those managing them.
Trader will earn far more than the office managers.

It happens a lot of the time in many industries.

I think Rush's job was advertised up to £230k back in the day.

And I don't know why people think a contract has to be paid out in full. Each contract is different but its most likely that in his position he will be set clear targets and if they are not met there is a short termination compensation.

[roger_ramjet]

No not even close. Quite naive to think that.

Sales sales men can be on far more than their manager if they are good.
IT many specialists are on more than managers.
Doctors are managed but will earn far more than those managing them.
Trader will earn far more than the office managers.

It happens a lot of the time in many industries.

I think Rush's job was advertised up to £230k back in the day.

And I don't know why people think a contract has to be paid out in full. Each contract is different but its most likely that in his position he will be set clear targets and if they are not met there is a short termination compensation.

See above, Rat - it was 190k plus a small pension contribution in year to 30 June 2016

[ramAnag]

No not even close. Quite naive to think that.

Sales sales men can be on far more than their manager if they are good.
IT many specialists are on more than managers.
Doctors are managed but will earn far more than those managing them.
Trader will earn far more than the office managers.

It happens a lot of the time in many industries.

I think Rush's job was advertised up to £230k back in the day.

And I don't know why people think a contract has to be paid out in full. Each contract is different but its most likely that in his position he will be set clear targets and if they are not met there is a short termination compensation.

It seems you're right Rats...must have been 'quite naive to think that'. Suppose it comes from having inhabited a world where I was always paid more than those I managed and those who managed me were always paid more than me. Can't be so unusual and does beg the question, I think, of how does Gary Rowett - on an alleged mere £800k - manage Chris Martin - on an alleged £2m+. Seems to complicate things a little to me.
Maybe Mr. R. could verify those figures...you've impressed me this morning...and I suspect, introduced a new word to the forum. 'Amortising'...had to look it up! Any chance of amortising Diane Abbott?

[roger_ramjet]

It seems you're right Rats...must have been 'quite naive to think that'. Suppose it comes from having inhabited a world where I was always paid more than those I managed and those who managed me were always paid more than me. Can't be so unusual and does beg the question, I think, of how does Gary Rowett - on an alleged mere £800k - manage Chris Martin - on an alleged £2m+. Seems to complicate things a little to me.
Maybe Mr. R. could verify those figures...you've impressed me this morning...and I suspect, introduced a new word to the forum. 'Amortising'...had to look it up! Any chance of amortising Diane Abbott?

i THINK i WOULD RATHER WRITE HER OFF AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE INSTEAD OF OVER A PERIOD OF TIME

[roger_ramjet]

It seems you're right Rats...must have been 'quite naive to think that'. Suppose it comes from having inhabited a world where I was always paid more than those I managed and those who managed me were always paid more than me. Can't be so unusual and does beg the question, I think, of how does Gary Rowett - on an alleged mere £800k - manage Chris Martin - on an alleged £2m+. Seems to complicate things a little to me.
Maybe Mr. R. could verify those figures...you've impressed me this morning...and I suspect, introduced a new word to the forum. 'Amortising'...had to look it up! Any chance of amortising Diane Abbott?

I can venture no opinion as to Gary Rowett wages but I seem to recall it being said that CM's new contract when it was renewed earlier this season was on 40k a week so 2 million aint far wrong.

MM will probably have ploughed 100 million in by the time we next debate the numbers!

[roger_ramjet]

how does Gary Rowett - on an alleged mere £800k - manage Chris Martin - on an alleged £2m+. Seems to complicate things a little to me.

I dont think that the authority to manage comes via the relative payroll impact. I have never really worked in an environment where that was the case apart from when I was a baby accountant.

The highest wages go to those who are most valuable to the business - or most attractive to competitors. In sport there is an obvious dichotomy between players and managers where the ability to manage comes through the authority of the position in the management heirarchy not via payroll.

In a commercial environment, the brilliant salesman will always outshine the back office manager as the former generates income whilst the latter distributes it - yet the office manager still has to approve the salesman's expense account etc etc.

In the public service sector, which is essentially non income generating, you may not have come across this anomaly but in the real world it very much is there

[StensonRam]

I have no inside knowledge of who earns what within dcfc now and just took an educated guess at what GR wage could be but I do know from past information that I gleaned during the league of gentlemen ownership era(knowing one of them personally and his parents very well) the rough figures, managers generally don't even come close to first team wages but what do I know, MM could of pushed the boat out on GR, he certainly has on SR if the mail is to be believed, I have no idea whether 800k is accurate or not, just a best guess

[ramAnag]

I dont think that the authority to manage comes via the relative payroll impact. I have never really worked in an environment where that was the case apart from when I was a baby accountant.

The highest wages go to those who are most valuable to the business - or most attractive to competitors. In sport there is an obvious dichotomy between players and managers where the ability to manage comes through the authority of the position in the management heirarchy not via payroll.

In a commercial environment, the brilliant salesman will always outshine the back office manager as the former generates income whilst the latter distributes it - yet the office manager still has to approve the salesman's expense account etc etc.

In the public service sector, which is essentially non income generating, you may not have come across this anomaly but in the real world it very much is there

The real world!! After all your good work you couldn't resist could you?
Sadly Rog the world doesn't get much more 'real' than it is for doctors, nurses, teachers, coppers, fire fighters and social workers in inner city Britain...but you carry on counting.

[Rams4Justice]

We would have to pay a hefty sum of compensation for letting Rush leave, due to being under contract until 2020 after he signed a 5yr deal back in 2015.

[ramAnag]

We would have to pay a hefty sum of compensation for letting Rush leave, due to being under contract until 2020 after he signed a 5yr deal back in 2015.

Think that's already been established. The question is, what figure are we likely to be compensating SR for loss of.
Stenson's guess of £100-£150k, Roger's more informed £190k, Rat's at £230k or the ever reliable never let the truth get in the way of a good story...Daily Mail's £500k plus.
Take your pick.