i think Tommy Robinson must be yer dad Ellis Even I had criticism of me dad bless his socks...
Of course that's not what i want, and to be honest i don't think that's going to happen. You talk of continuing the way we are, you're not recognising that you're part of the problem, along with 'Tommy' et al, and no matter how much you say you're not demonising every muslim, in reality that's exactly what you're doing, in reality that's exactly what ISIS is doing to anything westernised, demonising us all as infidels to their followers, don't you see that?
To be honest there's a hell of a lot more the muslim community could do, in terms of informing on folk they know to be radicalised(having said that, the manchester bomber was informed on by his friends and we did nothing) and there's a hell of a lot more we could all do to try and get along and just live our lives, it's not rocket science from either community really.
i think Tommy Robinson must be yer dad Ellis Even I had criticism of me dad bless his socks...
Quite happy to see most of what you suggest as part of the action plan, as discussed previously. I don't know of any Muslim only areas - where do I find these? What happens if a peaceful, law abiding citizen enters one? Evidence for this?
Most importantly, relating to this part of the thread, even if we were to go along with your premise that we want "politicians and moderate Muslims to accept it's the verses in the Qur'an that is the starting point of the radicalisation of some Muslims" - how would you go about gaining this 'acceptance'? I don't think that anyone would deny that these sacred text words are used by leaders to justify and engage 'recruits' to action, but they are also used by the other 99% as an important part of their way of life. So what practical action or even legislation can achieve what appears to be such a vague aim?
Regarding 'regulation of mosques and madrases' I think that it is important that we work with community and mosque leaders to get transparency and weed out any remaining unlawful activity. But it's the form of this that is crucial - How will you 'police' it whilst maintaining the positive relationships of which you seek? I think we have set a way forward with presence of police in the community, building relationships over time, planning and running community multi faith events etc. (it should be pointed out that most mosques are already seizing this initiative, including the one that was attacked) But as discussed earlier (pre election) we at ground level have seen this police initiative significantly scaled back (which obviously you cover with your own requirement of "more police officers"). For me we have to resist 'storming' Muslim community gatherings.
Islamophobic attacks in Manchester surge by 500% after arena attack
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-arena-attack
This is what happens when we openly pursue simplistic reactionary agendas.
If you say that Islam is the root problem, you are directly implying that anyone who follows that religion is part of the problem, including the vast majority of peaceful Muslims.
Consequently, people are acting out racially motivated acts on random Muslims.
As a result, a minority of the Muslim community, threatened by these attacks look to other sources for belonging, that sympathises with their fear and offers them bloody options, vengeance.
As discussed earlier: to blame Islam as a religion, the text, is to generalise the blame to all people who follow that religion and therefore to make them legitimate targets for our own lunatics. If you spread that nonsense around, you are part of the vicious cycle of which we are part.
But most frustratingly of all, it is a completely pointless assertion: you can cry that the Quar'an is the problem, that Islam is to blame, you can take it into TV debates and wave it around but as I asked earlier (to which no one replied with an answer): what are you suggesting that we DO about it? Ban a religion? Ban the book? Ban the idea? erase it from people's heads and hearts?
We need practical, logical and sensible ideas, things that work. Some good ones have been proposed by various people on here, and we need to collectively run with those. But this continual shouting against an entire religion with no actual follow up proposal of cohesive action only leads to the actions of this report.
Giving Isis EXACTLY what they want.