"Known to security services before the attack."

[theplater]

Looks like it's time to get the candles out again.
I don't know, maybe hold another concert?




That will show them.

Spot on Newcy. Tokenism profiles on Social Media pages, and offers of prayers and hugs in some modern hippy style lovefest is not going to win this war.

[wolves71]

Well, another attack in London, this time a van driven at worshippers in Finsbury Park. I'm surprised it's taken this long for something like this to happen. I'm expecting more of the same in the coming months and years.

[Newcy Wolf]

Not too sure why this is being called a terrorist attack by the media.

I wonder what a certain Mr Enoch Powell would be thinking today?

[wolves71]

Not too sure why this is being called a terrorist attack by the media.

I wonder what a certain Mr Enoch Powell would be thinking today?

I think it's their way of wording the attack. A man drives a van at people and this is what they class it as, innocent people are the ones that suffer.

A lot of these attacks are due to the actions of ours and other countries abroad.

[Newcy Wolf]

I think it's their way of wording the attack. A man drives a van at people and this is what they class it as, innocent people are the ones that suffer.

A lot of these attacks are due to the actions of ours and other countries abroad.

Correct.

I don't hear Tony Blair coming out and saying much, probably too busy still washing the blood off his hands.

[MichiganWolf]

Not too sure why this is being called a terrorist attack by the media.

Why would it not be called a terrorist attack? A terrorist is someone that uses violence against civilians for political reasons. I think Mr. Osborne qualifies as a terrorist on those grounds. Just like those in the Manchester and London Bridge attacks earlier this month qualify.

People like jihadists and Mr. Osborne believe that Muslims and British (or Westerners in general) can't coexist. I think they can, have and will in the end.

[wolves71]

Correct.

I don't hear Tony Blair coming out and saying much, probably too busy still washing the blood off his hands.

He won't people like Blair just sit back and watch others do the dirty work. The armed forces do an excellent job, irrespective of what they're asked to do, protecting the likes of Blair and all the other politicians.

[Newcy Wolf]

Why would it not be called a terrorist attack? A terrorist is someone that uses violence against civilians for political reasons. I think Mr. Osborne qualifies as a terrorist on those grounds. Just like those in the Manchester and London Bridge attacks earlier this month qualify.

People like jihadists and Mr. Osborne believe that Muslims and British (or Westerners in general) can't coexist. I think they can, have and will in the end.

So what were his political reasons? Do you know something we don't?

His alleged claim to want to kill all Muslims could be seen as a racist attack, not necessarily terror related.

Regardless, we are talking about a murdering nutcase here, lock him up for good.

[MichiganWolf]

So what were his political reasons? Do you know something we don't?

His alleged claim to want to kill all Muslims could be seen as a racist attack, not necessarily terror related.

Regardless, we are talking about a murdering nutcase here, lock him up for good.

Racism is inherently political. There are multiple races living within Britain, no? Under the UK's Terrorism Act of 2000, his attack falls under the purview of terrorism. It was an attack aimed at advancing a political and ideological aim.

[Newcy Wolf]

Racism is inherently political. There are multiple races living within Britain, no? Under the UK's Terrorism Act of 2000, his attack falls under the purview of terrorism. It was an attack aimed at advancing a political and ideological aim.

Yes there are multiple races living in Britain.
There are also group attacks on different races, sometimes fatal. Racist attacks but no mention of terror.

This needed to be called an act of terror by the media because of other recent events. To me is was a racist revenge attack.
I doubt very much if this killer was part of a terrorist group or cell, Welsh fathers of four very rarely fall into the terrorist category I would have thought.