OT: Grenfell Tower fire

[lbj]

As I said :

"The anger in London is due to political failings....give the bereaved the respect to vent their anger....they are making it political.....because it is ! "

Solidarity......NOT "distasteful"

SOLIDARITY !

[howdydoo]

Celticmiller

I've known YAK all my life and he's been all over the world as a highly decorated marine officer.

He's been luck enough to set up his own business now and has used that to help out with charity work with his contacts.

I'm not sure if exact figures but I know he's raised over 2 million pounds for good causes which I think are cancer research nspcc help the orphans in Syria dementia and a few others.

He's got no political attitude towards anything he knows better than anybody it's all ****e from all party's.
He's correct he's done more in the last year than you've probably thought of.

Oh and I can assure you you really wouldn't use the words you put on here if you met him face to face.

I'm not sure but I think he's looking at doing some fundraising for the victims of this tragedy.

What have you done apart from throw abuse at someone?

Sorry YAK I know you don't publicise this but I thought it needed to be said.

Celticmiller - you lose. FAKE



Despicable thread.

Very little in way constructive contribution, respect or understanding.

[monty_rhodes]

Celticmiller - you lose. FAKE



Despicable thread.



Very little in way constructive contribution, respect or understanding.

I don't know if Howdy's "despicable" is aimed at me as originator of this thread. Anyone who cares to check will see that at the time of my OP no fatalities were known. My point about the scandal related to previous concerns expressed over a year or two by the residents action group and my anger at the "scandal" had nothing to do with deaths (of which I was unaware) but was based on my experience as a surveyor who knew that such a rapid spread of a fire in a recently refurbished tower block clearly indicated major failings by the contractor and/or by the people in local and central government charged with formulating and implememting sound building and fire regulations.

[millertop]

I don't know if Howdy's "despicable" is aimed at me as originator of this thread. Anyone who cares to check will see that at the time of my OP no fatalities were known. My point about the scandal related to previous concerns expressed over a year or two by the residents action group and my anger at the "scandal" had nothing to do with deaths (of which I was unaware) but was based on my experience as a surveyor who knew that such a rapid spread of a fire in a recently refurbished tower block clearly indicated major failings by the contractor and/or by the people in local and central government charged with formulating and implememting sound building and fire regulations.

That's how I saw the op, don't know why some are on high horses when they only have to ignore this one and start a RIP thread

[animallittle3]

If I'd have lost my life trapped and burned to death in my own home along with 58 others I would be sitting on my cloud looking down and hoping people would be fighting for justice and ensuring change came quickly to this country and it wouldn't happen again .

As far as I'm concerned they should start this process straight away , I'd be appalled if they did not .

Corporate weasel words and capitalist apologists left to their own devices will try and bury this one just like they did with Hillsborough , close ranks and grease each other hands with dirty money that only those in power can buy the silence needed for them to creep away into the night free from the justice system .

Playing for time under the guise of respecting the dead , except for the small matter of friends , neighbours and family members of the victims who are saying it how it is and are demanding answers .

The tentacles of this tragedy reach out to the heart of neoliberal policies designed by the tories and endorsed by New Labour , both stand in the dock , guilty as charged .

Enough is enough , we need change and we need it now , if you do well in life financially you are safe if you do not then you are less likely to be and your voice is ignored and you simply don't count .

We don't require full on socialism and we can't trust neoliberalism to do what's right either .

We simply require a fairer society that values quality of life above profit .

[monty_rhodes]

That's how I saw the op, don't know why some are on high horses when they only have to ignore this one and start a RIP thread

Thanks, millertop. Agreed.

[monty_rhodes]

If I'd have lost my life trapped and burned to death in my own home along with 58 others I would be sitting on my cloud looking down and hoping people would be fighting for justice and ensuring change came quickly to this country and it wouldn't happen again .

As far as I'm concerned they should start this process straight away , I'd be appalled if they did not .

Corporate weasel words and capitalist apologists left to their own devices will try and bury this one just like they did with Hillsborough , close ranks and grease each other hands with dirty money that only those in power can buy the silence needed for them to creep away into the night free from the justice system .

Playing for time under the guise of respecting the dead , except for the small matter of friends , neighbours and family members of the victims who are saying it how it is and are demanding answers .

The tentacles of this tragedy reach out to the heart of neoliberal policies designed by the tories and endorsed by New Labour , both stand in the dock , guilty as charged .

Enough is enough , we need change and we need it now , if you do well in life financially you are safe if you do not then you are less likely to be and your voice is ignored and you simply don't count .

We don't require full on socialism and we can't trust neoliberalism to do what's right either .

We simply require a fairer society that values quality of life above profit .

A perceptive post with which I am in full agreement. Certain posters are blinded by political prejudice. They hate Corbyn and so cannot see that he has captured the moment far, far better than May and the government apologists who even the Tory press are disgusted with. Howdy always appears at these moments desperate to promote his own rather sad belief in Laissez Faire. Yes, well when you leave business or bankers to regulate themselves this is what you get.

[rolymiller]

Yep spot on animal little. A great post and as Monty has said very perceptive. I know that this has all got to be investigated rigorously and rightly so, but we all know what the outcome will be and have a good idea who is to blame. It certainly won't be down to an act of god. The only problem for the victims families is that this will be settled years down the line and even then they probably won't get full justice. You only have to look at the hillsboro tragedy to realise that.

[monty_rhodes]

Yep spot on animal little. A great post and as Monty has said very perceptive. I know that this has all got to be investigated rigorously and rightly so, but we all know what the outcome will be and have a good idea who is to blame. It certainly won't be down to an act of god. The only problem for the victims families is that this will be settled years down the line and even then they probably won't get full justice. You only have to look at the hillsboro tragedy to realise that.

roly, you are right to draw a parallel to Hillsborough. I said in my OP that we'd soon see a casmpaign of obfuscation and distraction. The lawyers and spin doctors have all been hard at work and we begin to see the first "green shoots" of passing the buck. Nick Paget-Brown, leader of Kensington council, suggests to the Sun that sprinklers were not fitted because there was no "collective view" in favour of them among tenants. So, just as at Hillsborough, the victims were really to blame. Or what about the Daily Mail? Let's get big business and government off the hook by claiming flammable cladding was used to satisfy meddling environmental lobby: "Were green targets to blame for the fire tragedy." Misinformation rules as always.

[Yak]

The support the affected need now is changing daily. A lot of the local charities are full of clothes and other items.
The emphasis now needs to be on addressing the housing needs of those affected.
It needs a concerted effort and coming together of all party's and originations to make sure a strategic plan is in place.
Outreach work is now needed.