Mosque Attack

[Rams4Justice]

Crowd control is party of security checks.

[Rams4Justice]

Police failed to control the crowd and shut the gates going into the stadium, which allowed the crowd to stampede their way through and caused chaos in the stands, which caused the awful disaster. The ticket office didn't do enough to check how many tickets were sold on the day and how many people would be turning up to the event, if they had checked it thoroughly they could have prevented the mass amounts of crowd turning up to the stadium and warned them to stay away before the game occurred. If they had done their jobs properly millions of lifes would of been saved on that tragic day.

[StensonRam]

If they had done their jobs properly millions of lifes would of been saved on that tragic day.

Millions.......really? How big do you think Hillsborough is FFS?

[Rams4Justice]

Wasn't big enough to fit the whole town of Sheffield that's for sure.

[roger_ramjet]

Police failed to control the crowd and shut the gates going into the stadium, which allowed the crowd to stampede their way through and caused chaos in the stands, which caused the awful disaster.

Maybe Im being thick here, but how does shutting the gates allow a crowd to stampede through?

Surely that would require them to open the gates?

[StensonRam]

Maybe Im being thick here, but how does shutting the gates allow a crowd to stampede through?

Surely that would require them to open the gates?

I must say I did think that too but let it go, just can't remember millions dying, did someone drop a nuclear warhead or something

He'll deny he said it now you watch

[Rams4Justice]

Shutting the gates prevents crowds stampeding through and on the day they were open when they should of been closed, the police and the stewards on the day didn't thoroughly do their safety procedures right and should of checked the gates where shut, to prevent fans flooding through.

It was appalling and an awful tragedy that should of been preventable but due to people not doing their jobs properly it wasn't the case.

[ManxRam]

Yep they have started to win alright. Retribution and further unrest is exactly what the ISIS terrorists want. This guy is playing into their hands and creating more support in the peaccable elements of the community.

He may think people will support him in his quest for vengeance (and I am sure there are some that will) but the majority of people will hopefully see it for what it is: playing into the extremists hands. The extremists will not give a toss if one of their own is killed - another martyr to the cause and they will use it to justify more actions themselves. And so it develops.

This sums up exactly how I see things at the moment, unfortunately.

[ramAnag]

Shutting the gates prevents crowds stampeding through and on the day they were open when they should of been closed, the police and the stewards on the day didn't thoroughly do their safety procedures right and should of checked the gates where shut, to prevent fans flooding through.

It was appalling and an awful tragedy that should of been preventable but due to people not doing their jobs properly it wasn't the case.

You don't half contradict yourself, however all that Hillsborough has, or may have, in common with the other two incidents is the possibility of a 'cover up'. There clearly was one at Hillsborough which would have gone unexposed had it not been for the determination of the relatives of the 96 (not millions) who died. There may well have been one with *****phile MP's and judges and it is, imo, unacceptable that we still don't know. Let's hope that Grenfell Tower isn't another example but I fear those responsible for cutting fire services, approving the installation of inappropriate cladding and sanctioning ineffective h&s checks will do all in their power to cover their backs. Anyway, even for an OT we seem to have wandered way OT and that's probably my fault.

[Rams4Justice]

With every disaster that occurs we certainly don't want things to repeat itself, but if security checks are not done as they should be done and they don't learn from them and don't do their jobs properly, then these disasters will keep reoccurring time and time again, until someone prevents them from happening.