OT another terrorist attack.

[Yak]

They are supposed to be teaching different cultures about British values now in schools and education.
Not sure how much effect it's having ?

[Ellis_D]

What happens to society's as the Muslim population grows in percentage of the total?

Michael Haltman 2010

In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate theMuslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond.

The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

[Ellis_D]

When the Muslim population was below 2% there were no problems as pointed out above. Well the theory put forward by Dr. Hammond explains that.

These are also interesting points that we are seeing in Britain right now:

"At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs." - That is absolutely true in Britain.

"From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply." - Yep, this is happening in supermarkets and food outlets across Britain.

Look at everything that has happened since 2010. It seems Dr. Hammond's theory is correct.

And look at this study published in The Guardian:

"Muslims will nearly double their numbers in Europe – to more than 10% – by 2050 and will outnumber Christians worldwide by 2070, according to a new forecast of the growth of religions around the world.

The report, by Pew Research Center, also predicts that Muslims will become the second-largest religious group in the US – at 2.1% – by 2050.

Europe’s Muslim population, boosted by large families and immigration, will nearly double, from less than 6% (43 million people) in 2010 to more than 10% (71 million people) in 2050, the forecast estimates."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-religion-pew

A lot of people on here won't be alive by 2050, but your children and grandchildren will. And it will be them who have to deal with the inevitable consequences of allowing so much Islamic immigration over here. Sharia law is on its way and I pity the homo***uals, women and children of the future.

[John2]

Since you've seen fit to spam the board with content from this Dr Hammond guy as though he is some sort of authority, can you tell us what university he is from and what he studied?

[caytonmiller]

Geez. We have our hands full on here with one doctor kempoo nemind bringing Dr Hammond into it

[millmoormagic]

Actually that's probably the most pathetic thing you've ever posted on here Ellis, i think you really are losing the plot.

[millmoormagic]

Geez. We have our hands full on here with one doctor kempoo nemind bringing Dr Hammond into it

It's Richard Hammond, he writes factual books like he drives motors....

[KerrAvon]

Since you've seen fit to spam the board with content from this Dr Hammond guy as though he is some sort of authority, can you tell us what university he is from and what he studied?

I've got to take issue with you there, John.

If Ellis is quoting Hammond, I'm certain that he will be Emeritus Professor of Politics at a leading University.

Ellis certainly wouldn't provide quotes from, say, a bloke with a doctorate in Missiology (the study of religious (typically Christian) missions and their methods and purposes, apparently), who works as missionary for the Frontline Missionary Church in South Africa. Ellis has made it clear how he has no time for any religions so would certainly not consider such a source to be reliable.

Come on Ellis, tell us who Dr Hammond is.

[ragingpup]

When the Muslim population was below 2% there were no problems as pointed out above. Well the theory put forward by Dr. Hammond explains that.

These are also interesting points that we are seeing in Britain right now:

"At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs." - That is absolutely true in Britain.

"From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply." - Yep, this is happening in supermarkets and food outlets across Britain.

Look at everything that has happened since 2010. It seems Dr. Hammond's theory is correct.

And look at this study published in The Guardian:

"Muslims will nearly double their numbers in Europe – to more than 10% – by 2050 and will outnumber Christians worldwide by 2070, according to a new forecast of the growth of religions around the world.

The report, by Pew Research Center, also predicts that Muslims will become the second-largest religious group in the US – at 2.1% – by 2050.

Europe’s Muslim population, boosted by large families and immigration, will nearly double, from less than 6% (43 million people) in 2010 to more than 10% (71 million people) in 2050, the forecast estimates."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-religion-pew

A lot of people on here won't be alive by 2050, but your children and grandchildren will. And it will be them who have to deal with the inevitable consequences of allowing so much Islamic immigration over here. Sharia law is on its way and I pity the homo***uals, women and children of the future.

Leaving to one side the report I quoted earlier from International Journal of Environmental Science and Development, Vol. 1, No. 2, June 2010 which estimated that the Muslim population in the U.K. Will remain at 4% in 2020 as the numbers of young people cast aside their faith after UK education offsets the growth of immigrants from Muslim oriented nations...

And leaving aside that an appearance of a Muslim population might automatically, in a capitalist society, produce a supply for Hal al food etc without "increased pressure" from muslims.

Leaving aside that a percentage of any alternative culture and faith in our schools and communities will make any good society look to accommodate and integrate their way of life alongside others BECAUSE THATS WHAT HEALTHY HUMANS DO!

Leaving that aside, and taking on your new Prof's assertions, I repeat my question: what do you propose to DO about it? What point are you making? How does it help us move forward in finding strategies that will actively tackle terrorism by fanatics twisting this religion. I've heard your earlier practical points, and agree. But how does THIS help us? What action should it lead us to other than to educate young Muslim and any other faith children in our schools to respect other cultures and beliefs?

[ragingpup]

They are supposed to be teaching different cultures about British values now in schools and education.
Not sure how much effect it's having ?

Good question Yak. We 'teach' BV at our college as do all other schools and colleges in the U.K.

In the hands of a skilled teacher, it can be excellent, promoting positive aspects of what any healthy democracy holds dear: democracy, tolerance, rule of our law and acceptance. I love doing workshops with our kids in East London.

In the hands of a less skilled teacher it can be extremely negative, finger pointing in one direction only can be alienating for some kids who feel alienated from UK culture. It should be positive,inclusive and celebratory. It often is but like the prevent campaign is often implemented with little understanding the wider issues. Not teachers faults, they simply aren't trained on it and have to 'cram' and busk it. And it's too important for this approach.

So I hear more damage than good comes of it which is very frustrating. But it's a step in th right direction. Just needs more resources, specialists in the sector.