Brexit talks

[oldcolner]

Well at least they have started and the so called hard Brexit is the way forward. I suppose that's because the soft Brexit isn't Brexit at all.
Will be interesting to see if Corbyn can torpedo the Queens speech as a result, as they can table an amendment to it and if some soft Tories switch sides that could bring down the Government.

[Altobelli]

Its a big mess Colner, Brexit, Tories, Labour, even the DUP giving Maybot plenty of grief now, its all one big cock up.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Maybot is making even Cameron look good and that one is really bloody difficult trick to pull off...

[blueheeler1]

Maybot is making even Cameron look good and that one is really bloody difficult trick to pull off...

"What do we want?
We don't know.
When do we want it?
NOW".

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Maybot's goose is well and truly cooked now. A legal challenge on her tie-in with the DUP is now being prepared on the basis that the "Good Friday" agreement and Northern Ireland peace process will be seriously undermined.

Did not take a rocket scientist to work that one out?

[sinkov]

It hasn't received much attention yet that M. Barnier has stated that we will be leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, the so-called Soft Brexit, which in reality isn't Brexit at all, is simply not an option. It never was, the EU has always said there can be no cherry-picking, we are in or we are out, Soft Brexit was never more than a deluded Remoanian fantasy, maybe they'll accept the reality now that it's coming from our masters in their beloved EU.

Perhaps it's the one thing the ludicrously incompetent May managed to get right, Brexit means Brexit, and that means leaving the SM and CU. Poor lass, it's about all she's got right.

[oldcolner]

The Queens Speech will have no ceremonial dress supposedly due to proximity to Trooping the Colour ( and Ascot?) will cover two years not one and focus on Brexit. There is talk of Lib dems backing the Tories with Farron going, though that seems strange given their plan to stay in the EU. Perhaps the Tories would concede that there would be a parliamentary vote at the end of negotiations now. Given Labours current policy of supporting Brexit it would seem a safe option. Though Jeremy has been known to change his mind!!

Sinkov
I think Barnier was merely repeating what Britain had told him they wanted, but you are right, a soft Brexit isn't Brexit at all. Once terms of negotiation are clear it will be clear that EU terms for a soft Brexit would be impossible.
I see we asked them to demonstrate the legal basis for the £100B leaving fee demand, so that will be interesting. Hope we have our legal basis for demanding our share of EU assets.
Meanwhile the EU is thinking of having an EU budget as Macron wants and now Merkel says she's willing to consider it. Then there will be an EU army. looks like M&Ms are taking over in our absence.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Nature abhors a vacuum and all of that oldcolner.

[CaspertheClaret]

Oh no - Sean Dyche to PM.

[oldcolner]

The Prime Minister is facing a battle to get the crucial legislation through the upper chamber after it emerged that peers may seek to ignore a 72-year convention and block new laws paving the way for Britain leaving the single market and EU customs union.

The Salisbury Convention states that manifesto commitments made by a governing party should not be blocked or significantly altered by the Lords.

However, within hours of Wednesday’s Queen Speech, which set out the various Brexit bills to be presented before Parliament in the coming months – opposition parties began to argue that the convention does not apply as Mrs May did not win a majority and has not agreed to govern in coalition.

The fun is only beginning!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-lib-dems-vow/