Cardinal George Pell

[blueheeler1]

This subject could be debated until the end of time but will there be an end of time ,what is time? Time is a measurement of the mind. Lets see it in another light, not religiously but spiritual

All religions are dogmatic, that is they do not allow the mind, or thoughts to cross certain boundaries.
But it is a human characteristic when we can perceive an object we say it is, and when we cannot perceive it we simply say ''it does not exist!'' Science can not say anything about that which is beyond the mind , the mind can not grasp. This created universe is in a state of 'flux' everything is moving everything is changing. That which under goes change can not be the truth.
Man has a reflective consciousness, that is he has the ability to know who he really is!! The Greeks told us ''know thyself'', animals do not have this ability,in this respect man is far superior.

Man has consciousness ,and consciousness is also found in the animal and plant kingdoms. It is found in the whole cycle of creation. We came out of consciousness! Through metamorphoses and pressure the elements were created, from the subtle coming to the crude, 'solid'. From 'solid' we return to again to the subtle. We left as unqualified consciousness and return as qualified consciousness. So the question asked, ''why did God create this creation?'' You can say, (He) is qualifying is own Self!! We will all at some point in time merge in to that Consciousness, Just as you take a piece of salt and touch the Ocean, what will happen the salt looses its identity and becomes the Ocean! That is unification.

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I do not believe this is a heavy subject we have been given the Judeo Christian beliefs and accepted them. A kind of ''thats whats written ,thats it!'' Stop any more searching!

On Georges Lemaître, The big Bang theory is the effect , what was the cause ? If he gave us the "primeval atom" or "the Cosmic Egg, exploding at the moment of the creation".but what caused the explosion? If no forces existed then it can not explode! Yes some may say ,it became unstable ! So let the answer be God created. ( metamorphosis of Consciousness !) The "primeval atom" or "the Cosmic Egg, is not the cause it is part of an effect ! Science can not go beyond the 'Big Bang'

Feel free to comment !!

Why did God feel the necessity to create?

[oldcolner]

Why did God feel the necessity to create?

Which God though?

Throughout recorded history, we can count anywhere from 8,000–12,000 gods who have been worshiped. But we can only count around 9 different types of gods (based on theological characteristics) that have been worshiped. Every modern god also fits into one of these types, and 5 of them are Hindu types.

No one is quite sure how many gods are still worshipped in modern times, but no fewer than 24 major gods and maybe about a 100 or so minor deities and spirits. A lot of Asian cultures have a lot of minor divinities in their theologies.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-gods-...ipped-on-earth

The real question is why did people feel it necessary to create gods? I suggest fear of the unknown and trying to control that fear is one factor.

[Norder]

Why did God feel the necessity to create?

...it likes to experiment.



.....is just playing.


so does it know it all ?....as what if even it - is caught on the inside.....having the ability to shape us wouldn't need this so called God to be the beginning and end of all and everything....would it ?

[Balanbam00]

Why did God feel the necessity to create?


A philosopher can not answer this question why did God create the Universe because that is beyond the 'Cosmic mind'
let alone the unit minds. we can not comprehend beyond the limits of our minds.
I can not give any other meaning that when the subjective 'I' was without an object? therefore He created the objective Universe which is all in His mind. The same if we were without vision, sound, taste, touch or smell what would happen to our minds having no objects, would we go crazy? Ask someone that goes to church , they may say he created us so the we worship Him?
So after death, we are all going to be singing hymns,with music with harps playing , and women in long flowing dresses dancing in circles with kids?? Take be down to the bottom floor please,there might not me virgins there, but there could be alcoholic beverages??

( Another answer is that some parts of this Consciousness became Qualified ( Subjective Mind ) and other parts not ,so in effect that Consciousness is liberating its own self,qualifying its own self ? )

[blueheeler1]

Why did God feel the necessity to create?


A philosopher can not answer this question why did God create the Universe because that is beyond the 'Cosmic mind'
let alone the unit minds. we can not comprehend beyond the limits of our minds.
I can not give any other meaning that when the subjective 'I' was without an object? therefore He created the objective Universe which is all in His mind. The same if we were without vision, sound, taste, touch or smell what would happen to our minds having no objects, would we go crazy? Ask someone that goes to church , they may say he created us so the we worship Him?
So after death, we are all going to be singing hymns,with music with harps playing , and women in long flowing dresses dancing in circles with kids?? Take be down to the bottom floor please,there might not me virgins there, but there could be alcoholic beverages??

( Another answer is that some parts of this Consciousness became Qualified ( Subjective Mind ) and other parts not ,so in effect that Consciousness is liberating its own self,qualifying its own self ? )

I've just thought of an answer to the whole creation thing.

In a universe or dimension very very far way something was playing with chemicals that became unsafe.

Rather than have this potential danger in his own time and space it was jettisoned to a spare space known to them but so very far away it couldn't cause them any problems.

This unsafe chemical exploded causing our big bang.

This theory suggests there was a Creator, of sorts, by default but also acknowledges that there is no Divine "being"' that interfaces with our lives or even knows we exist.

Its all a bit of luck or bad luck whichever way you choose to look at it.

[Balanbam00]

I think some of the Wovers fans could accept that theory ,blue. But scientists and Turf Moor fans ?? That something' must have had intelligence of some sort, because 'it ' was playing. The question now is where did the chemicals come from? 'What created the chemicals? Did they just appear out of the 'blue'? Again 'playing means space was there, because there was movement,was that space expanding, it could not have been contracting, and it was not a vacuum,so some other element like ether must have been created? Out of what was the (lets say ether!) created?
Yet again gases must have been created, to cause heat,gases exploding creates light ,from the explosion elements would have cooled down from a liquid state, then become solid, from that you have the chemicals. Its all a bit 'sticky'.

'People solve problems in our daily life ,but this we can not solve'.

[Balanbam00]

Blue:
''This theory suggests there was a Creator, of sorts, by default but also acknowledges that there is no Divine "being"' that interfaces with our lives or even knows we exist.
Its all a bit of luck or bad luck whichever way you choose to look at it''.

Of course we can not really know the answer to this:
But if the world has been here for millions of years is it by accident ? Everything is governed by the Laws of action - reaction. Philosophers has stated there is no accidents in this world everything is because of this action - reaction, so everything is an incident!
Today we have seen the fall of Communism , soon we will see the fall of Capitalism,both are materialistic economic theory's. Religion is dogmatic ,it goes against the freedom of the expanding mind. We are now seeing in the world of Islam,how they are fighting will it meet its destruction, and will belief in it continue? In Christianity we are seeing ,well, these posts are under Cardinal Pell, what has happened in Australia and in Ireland with young boys and a lot more are churches full or becoming empty? But perhaps all of this is an accident??

[oldcolner]

Here's a list of Catholic abuse by country .... except there are separate sites for the UK and Ireland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cath...ses_by_country

Forced adoption in catholic unmarried mothers home
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...30-year-period
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...k-says-9184739

Now what did the 10 commandments say!! The Vatican has presided over organised abuse and cover ups for years. Other churches are not immune.

Religious wars
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Wars in Europe caused by religion
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro...rs_of_religion

All these events and more caused by a need for ones God or ones version of the same god to be supreme.

[Altobelli]

That's a very long list for abuse by Countries Colner, too long, and that's just the one's that have come to light, it's frightening and I would not be shocked if there was many more that have happened and are happening now which will never be revealed, IMO it seems a safe haven for abusers rather than a place for worship and comfort.

My Mum (now passed) used to say abuse of children was disgusting and they should have their bits cut off, but she'd always watch Documentaries and Drama Series focusing on it as she said it was interesting even if terrible, I'd go around to visit her and a few times she'd be viewing it on TV, I'd have to go out for a long walk until it finished as I could not stomach it.

[blueheeler1]

Blue:
''This theory suggests there was a Creator, of sorts, by default but also acknowledges that there is no Divine "being"' that interfaces with our lives or even knows we exist.
Its all a bit of luck or bad luck whichever way you choose to look at it''.

Of course we can not really know the answer to this:
But if the world has been here for millions of years is it by accident ? Everything is governed by the Laws of action - reaction. Philosophers has stated there is no accidents in this world everything is because of this action - reaction, so everything is an incident!
Today we have seen the fall of Communism , soon we will see the fall of Capitalism,both are materialistic economic theory's. Religion is dogmatic ,it goes against the freedom of the expanding mind. We are now seeing in the world of Islam,how they are fighting will it meet its destruction, and will belief in it continue? In Christianity we are seeing ,well, these posts are under Cardinal Pell, what has happened in Australia and in Ireland with young boys and a lot more are churches full or becoming empty? But perhaps all of this is an accident??

But if the world has been here for millions of years is it by accident ?
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ANS. Despite time, which has no meaning, it could have been an accident. Why should it have been "ordained"? It maks no sense at all.

Philosophers has stated there is no accidents in this world everything is because of this action - reaction.

ANS So everything is an action. Hence my theory.

Today we have seen the fall of Communism , soon we will see the fall of Capitalism,both are materialistic economic theory's. Religion is dogmatic ,it goes against the freedom of the expanding mind. We are now seeing in the world of Islam,how they are fighting will it meet its destruction, and will belief in it continue?

ANS Belief will always work against facts. If you believe in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs there is nothing to stop you.

We are now seeing in the world of Islam,how they are fighting will it meet its destruction, and will belief in it continue?

ANS No. Because bollxxks will be seen as Bollxxks eventually. The Prophet Mohamed was flawed.

In Christianity we are seeing ,well, these posts are under Cardinal Pell, what has happened in Australia and in Ireland with young boys and a lot more are churches full or becoming empty? But perhaps all of this is an accident?

ANS The horrible action against youth is no accident. It's due to scum using Religion as a vehicle.