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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by AJM2503 View Post
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    relevant Football Body..
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    hazardous items, laser devices, bottles, glass vessels, cans, poles and any article that might be used as a weapon and/or compromise public safety. It is an offence punishable
    by law and Unacceptable Conduct for any person to enter or attempt to enter the Ground whilst in possession of any article which is a firework or any article or substance whose purpose
    or any part of its purpose is the emission of a flare for purposes of illuminating or signalling or the emission of smoke and/or gas and any person in possession of such articles will be refused
    entry to the Ground and if having entered, to expulsion from the ground and such other sanction as may be determined by the Club/Event Organiser and reported to the Police.
    12. It is a criminal offence and UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT for any person to enter or attempt to enter the Ground: 1 whilst in possession of a container or any other item which is or was
    capable of holding liquid or any other thing and which, if thrown, would be capable of causing injury to another person; 2 whilst in possession of alcohol; and/or 3 whilst drunk.
    13. Any person entering the ground may, at the sole discretion of the Club/Event Organiser be SEARCHED and is deemed to have consented to be so searched, for any item or Material the
    possession or use of which may result in and/or cause or contribute to Unacceptable Conduct.
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    other means, in relation to a Match taking place in the Ground, any players or other persons present in the Ground and/or the Ground, nor may they bring into the Ground or use within the
    Ground (or provide to, facilitate or otherwise assist another person to use within the Ground) any equipment or technology which is capable of capturing, logging, recording, transmitting,
    playing, issuing, showing or otherwise communicating (by digital or other means) any such Material as described above. Any person failing to comply with these restrictions is deemed to be
    liable to have such equipment, technology and Material in whatever form, confiscated without compensation by the Club/Event Organiser. Copyright, Database Rights and any other
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    organising the Match in its relevant Competition.
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    and/or, where applicable, the Regulations of the FIFA/UEFA Competitions or whose presence in the Ground is or could reasonably be considered as constituting a source of danger, nuisance
    and/or annoyance to other persons within the Ground.
    22. SMOKING [INCLUDING ALL PIPES AND E CIGARETTES] IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN in ALL areas inside the Ground [
    23. On no account will admission to the Ground be granted to a person who is subject of a current FOOTBALL BANNING ORDER.
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    INFORMATION

    And they wonder why crowds are down .


    It's no longer an enjoyable occasion attending football

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by aloreburn View Post
    And they wonder why crowds are down .


    It's no longer an enjoyable occasion attending football
    Have to disagree with you on this. I don't really see why the above would be that detrimental to crowds dropping and taking the enjoyment out of football. When you read it, it appears a fairly reasonable list to be honest.

  3. #23
    i used to attend every game home and away ,the rules over the years getting more restrictive as the years go by are starting to put me off ,for the last year or so not been going to alot of away games ,still attend most home games but its defo starting to ware away the excitement of attending palmy ,there is no fun watching queens anymore ,no freedom anymore in and around stadiums ,attending senior league football for me is heading in a downward spiral ,il be at some games this season but defo picking and choosing .

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Francis_begbie_HFC View Post
    i used to attend every game home and away ,the rules over the years getting more restrictive as the years go by are starting to put me off ,for the last year or so not been going to alot of away games ,still attend most home games but its defo starting to ware away the excitement of attending palmy ,there is no fun watching queens anymore ,no freedom anymore in and around stadiums ,attending senior league football for me is heading in a downward spiral ,il be at some games this season but defo picking and choosing .
    In what way have they become more restrictive for you? Be good to get your insight into this.

  5. #25
    policing for starters ,stewarding ,smoking and drinking in ground ,no atmosphere ,too many happy clappers these days ,the policing and stewarding bit id like to see them stay out the terraces ,let the lads who want to create an atmosphere get on with it police and stewards should only intervene when both sets of fans engage in combat ,in all other instances no matter what thay should stay away ,the smoking ban i recently quit the smoking and use an e cig thing now ,restricted on even that ,id like to have the odd drink or 2 in the and around the ground ,restricted on that also ,cant even drink on the streets anymore lol ,and iv seen fans getting rejected from even going into grounds after being at the pub before a match ,carrying no drink thay want football to be tee total ,its a complete joke and all i can see is me getting arrested week in week out attending thru arguing with police and stewards ,hows that for and insight into whats restrictive for me lol .

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Francis_begbie_HFC View Post
    policing for starters ,stewarding ,smoking and drinking in ground ,no atmosphere ,too many happy clappers these days ,the policing and stewarding bit id like to see them stay out the terraces ,let the lads who want to create an atmosphere get on with it police and stewards should only intervene when both sets of fans engage in combat ,in all other instances no matter what thay should stay away ,the smoking ban i recently quit the smoking and use an e cig thing now ,restricted on even that ,id like to have the odd drink or 2 in the and around the ground ,restricted on that also ,cant even drink on the streets anymore lol ,and iv seen fans getting rejected from even going into grounds after being at the pub before a match ,carrying no drink thay want football to be tee total ,its a complete joke and all i can see is me getting arrested week in week out attending thru arguing with police and stewards ,hows that for and insight into whats restrictive for me lol .
    That is great! A lot of the time people have issues and they don't actually specify their issue so appreciate you highlighting this.

    It would be great to have alcohol in games again, although I think historical events most likely terrify the authorities. I think the safe standing though could slowly move us back to the possibility of drinking as they are almost handing more responsibility for safety back to the fans. Fingers crossed, although it will probably be another 15 years... .

  7. #27
    The Police & Stewarding are a lot better now than they were a few seasons back when all you had to do was look the wrong way and you were ejected . Maybe they've chilled out a bit or maybe it's because hardly any youngsters now go . Queens had talked about giving the youngsters their own little singing section like St Johnstone did with major success last season but I haven't heard a thing since . Let them congregate behind the goals , make some noise and enjoy themselves

    With the new season fast approaching Queens had better get a plan in place FAST

  8. #28
    Last season I was at the home game v st mirren. It was the night game with only 1000 odd there. I was standing in front of the old stand and three lads causing no bother at all were leaning onto / standing close too the wall in front of us next to the pitch. A steward came and told them off for leaning on the wall and to move back from the wall.

    Myself and another supporter questioned it as often we or our kids usually do the same along with many others at games. We didn't exactly get a friendly answer with the reason seemingly being it was for safety.

    If this was for real then there should be big signs all along the wall saying such.

    Just a person looking to boss folk around was how it seemed to me and not very nice for the lads who were doing nothing wrong.

    I took a photo but probably break another ground rule by posting it.
    Last edited by JTulip; 13-07-2017 at 01:43 PM.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by JTulip View Post
    Last season I was at the home game v st mirren. It was the night game with only 1000 odd there. I was standing in front of the old stand and three lads causing no bother at all were leaning onto / standing close too the wall in front of us next to the pitch. A steward came and told them off for leaning on the wall and to move back from the wall.

    Myself and another supporter questioned it as often we or our kids usually do the same along with many others at games. We didn't exactly get a friendly answer with the reason seemingly being it was for safety.

    If this was for real then there should be big signs all along the wall saying such.

    Just a person looking to boss folk around was how it seemed to me and not very nice for the lads who were doing nothing wrong.

    I took a photo but probably break another ground rule by posting it.
    That's a real shame. As long as you don't own a local health & safety sign making company you would be fine to post it .

  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJM2503 View Post
    Item number 22 of the ground regulations from the spfl specifically bans all smoking the club doesn't have a choice
    Whilst it is reassuring that it has been confirmed that it is not an initiative being introduced by Queens and that it has been enforced by the SPFL this is just another example of the nanny state getting its own way without consideration of the impact it will have on football fans attending games that they supposedly are there to promote. I still cannot see how those wishing to do so cannot smoke to the side of the terrace, in the open which would have no bearing or inconvenience to anyone else, It was very depressing to see that list of regulations imposed on rational and responsible adults and their siblings who only want to support their local side. OK there will always be bad apples but is that not the reason that the security and police are there in the first to deal with that if it occurs and lets us get on with "enjoying" the match that we have paid good money to watch. Rant over for now.

  11. #31
    As a non-smoker I think this is a good idea. However I do understand why people will be affronted by it. What I don't understand quite understand: as a smoker, whilst at the cinema, do you leave halfway through a film to go for a cigarette?

    Additionally people regularly comment on here about the cost of going to watch a match - to the smokers of you: how much do you spend on cigarettes/e-cig refills and how many matches could you attend if you cut back (just food for thought)?

    Ultimately this appears to be part of a national drive to promote healthier living.

  12. #32
    100% agree with smoking ban throughout the ground, frankly I thought that was already the case. Have been irritated in past by 'fly' smokers flouting the ban and wafting their fumes in my direction.

  13. #33
    thats all good sgtsouth and edqos1 ,so to you its all acceptable ,what if the smokers vote on there feet not to attend ,left with the none smokers crowds would be down as low as 700 max atm ,the end of the club ,all because the goodie too shues none smoker has had there way again makes me laugh likes ,the authorities can go take a flying f for all i care likes .terrible selfish attitude to be taking ,the authorities need a good boot where it hurts .

  14. #34
    In all honesty, I find it a bit much if people are talking about giving up going to Palmerston if they are not allowed to smoke. New rules and regulations come out all the time covering everything in life. Everyone might not like them, or want to abide by them, but they just have to accept them.
    For those, if there is indeed anyone, who stops going, then I feel they are simply looking for an excuse to do so as they no longer want to go and watch Queens. It is of course up to the individual what they do with their money, or how they pass their time.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Francis_begbie_HFC View Post
    thats all good sgtsouth and edqos1 ,so to you its all acceptable ,what if the smokers vote on there feet not to attend ,left with the none smokers crowds would be down as low as 700 max atm ,the end of the club ,all because the goodie too shues none smoker has had there way again makes me laugh likes ,the authorities can go take a flying f for all i care likes .terrible selfish attitude to be taking ,the authorities need a good boot where it hurts .
    I would have to say it is more of a general society movement with smoking bans being imposed opposed to goodie too shoes. Only about 20% of the population smoke and to even say it is selfish is rather ludicrous considering the mass amount of evidence highlighting the dangers of passive smoking even in an open area due to smoke dispersion being uncontrollable.

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