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Thread: O/T, Italy's Nuclear option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Head in the sand as usual. You haven't noticed that prices are rising faster than wages?


    That was happening before the Brexit vote, why do you think the public sector workers are bleating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladpie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Head in the sand as usual. You haven't noticed that prices are rising faster than wages?


    That was happening before the Brexit vote.
    It wasn't. It's happened as a direct result of the Brexit vote and will only get worse. I just hope those who hold 'taking control of our own destiny' so dear are happy to pay the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AltyPie View Post
    I had a go once at trying to understand Italian politics and their political system. It seems to be based on some sort of PR but I gave up as it just came across as a right dogs breakfast of a system. I suppose if you were the EU the last thing you'd want is one single strong party getting in that might push for a referendum exit vote. The EU presumably would prefer a mess of a PR type system where the largest vote could go to a single Eurosceptic party but they can't form a Govt and a Govt is then formed via coalition of two smaller Pro-EU parties.

    That Salvini guy sounds like he might be a bit Corbyn-like then? A lefty leader and the butt of a few jokes that no-one takes seriously now, but might become someone significant as the election draws closer especially if he makes the right Eurosceptic noises? His limited provincialist position (that you describe) would presumably go against him though?

    This graph is interesting : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_I...neral_election
    It seems to show the 5 Star party climbing significantly in the polls. This must be a bit worrying for the EU as another country voting Brexit would surely end the EU. Being someone who’s not exactly in love with the EU, I’ll watch this with interest.
    Have you studied a bit about Italian politics? Seems you have a bit of background. If so, what do you think are the chances of an Italexit or whatever name they’d give it?

    Late Edit : Just had a quick read about that Salvini guy - says he likes right wing populist parties like France's FN - but he also has Putin as a hero - bit confusing...
    It's PR with a prize of X amount of extra seats for the winning party, to give them governability. They are currently trying to agree on a new electoral law as parts of the last one were declared unconstitutional.

    There isn't a strong party that would push for an exit vote, only the Lega Nord want that and they're hovering at about 15%

    Salvini is in the populist right wing mould like le pen and trump. In terms of character he's as far removed from Corbyn as can be, brash, rude, etc.

    The m5s didn't do very well in the local elections in June, not sure if they've bounced back since then. The traditional centre right were the big winners in the local elections.

    I'd say an Italexit is extremely unlikely. Most Italians like being in the EU and nobody is really talking about leaving it. It's just not a thing. But in these strange times you never know I suppose.

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    ... with over 25% of the 'working' population not paying income tax/thriving black economy, why would they want exit? They're too busy shafting the EU losers. Heaven forbid we remain part of that. They'll be there when the EU goes ti ts up and it'll be too late for them to change sides ...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    ... with over 25% of the 'working' population not paying income tax/thriving black economy, why would they want exit? They're too busy shafting the EU losers. Heaven forbid we remain part of that. They'll be there when the EU goes ti ts up and it'll be too late for them to change sides ...!
    Not sure I understand the connection between black economy and EU membership.

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    ... Italy is a poorly run country with high levels of corruption. Would you like to try starting a biz there? Some time ago the EU paid out €millions for a steel mill which didn't even exist. Can't decide which is worse, the dozey EU or the I ties!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    ... Italy is a poorly run country with high levels of corruption. Would you like to try starting a biz there? Some time ago the EU paid out €millions for a steel mill which didn't even exist. Can't decide which is worse, the dozey EU or the I ties!
    Yep, "corrupt" is the word I'd go for

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7699571.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    ... Italy is a poorly run country with high levels of corruption. Would you like to try starting a biz there? Some time ago the EU paid out €millions for a steel mill which didn't even exist. Can't decide which is worse, the dozey EU or the I ties!
    Still don't get the connection between black economy and the EU.

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    ... driller ... thought you were bright enough to see a bigger picture. So, in football terms, the EU is the team but 7 countries are undermining the common ( at the risk of confusing you, for 'common' read the Germany) interest. Or, in Notts terms, 3 of the team have taken bribes from the opposition ... but that could be a whole new topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    ... driller ... thought you were bright enough to see a bigger picture. So, in football terms, the EU is the team but 7 countries are undermining the common ( at the risk of confusing you, for 'common' read the Germany) interest. Or, in Notts terms, 3 of the team have taken bribes from the opposition ... but that could be a whole new topic!
    After extensive research, I think you seem to be hinting that some politicians are corrupt.

    Who would have thought it?

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