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    so if rafa did his job how much would he have

    we all are aware we have probably 10 -15 players we could or have gotten rid of

    getting these out would release a huge amount of wages and raise some money for the transfers

    if you think the following have gone

    anita ,goofy ,murphy ,Armstrong on loan sels on loan Sammy on loan but we still have an abundance of players we don't need and could get rid off

    who would you let go

    I reckon we are paying 400-500 k a week we don't need to be and could get in 35 mill in transfers

    apart from those gone who would you let go

    me would be mistertrick 60k

    colback 35 k

    perez 45 k

    hanley
    lazaar
    hayed
    diame
    perez
    saivet
    riviere
    thauvin
    haidara
    good
    sterry

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    I think Sammy has signed for Bolton,not on loan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pboromag View Post
    we all are aware we have probably 10 -15 players we could or have gotten rid of

    getting these out would release a huge amount of wages and raise some money for the transfers

    if you think the following have gone

    anita ,goofy ,murphy ,Armstrong on loan sels on loan Sammy on loan but we still have an abundance of players we don't need and could get rid off

    who would you let go

    I reckon we are paying 400-500 k a week we don't need to be and could get in 35 mill in transfers

    apart from those gone who would you let go

    me would be mistertrick 60k

    colback 35 k

    perez 45 k

    hanley
    lazaar
    hayed
    diame
    perez
    saivet
    riviere
    thauvin
    haidara
    good
    sterry

    if nobody wants them, how can we ship them out?
    to be fair, only lower scale prem sides and championship teams will want these players, can anyone from the championship match their current salaries?
    Take Saivet for example, even the side he was on loan at wont touch him, seems quite happy to sit on his wage packet

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    Thauvin gone..£10 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by pboromag View Post
    we all are aware we have probably 10 -15 players we could or have gotten rid of

    getting these out would release a huge amount of wages and raise some money for the transfers

    if you think the following have gone

    anita ,goofy ,murphy ,Armstrong on loan sels on loan Sammy on loan but we still have an abundance of players we don't need and could get rid off

    who would you let go

    I reckon we are paying 400-500 k a week we don't need to be and could get in 35 mill in transfers

    apart from those gone who would you let go

    me would be mistertrick 60k

    colback 35 k

    perez 45 k

    hanley
    lazaar
    hayed
    diame
    perez
    saivet
    riviere
    thauvin
    haidara
    good
    sterry
    Thauvin has gone,we got £9.8 million for him.

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    We need to keep Perez; Hayden will improve too. The rest I largely agree with (don't know enough about Good or Sterry)

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    You say you own a business but your posts make you come across like a spotty kid playing footy manager with little to no understand of how finances work in the real world, your using monopoly logic, it's pretty basic tbh mate.

    Aye a lot of dead wood needs shifting but that's part and parcel of improving your squad, it takes time, it's not all going to happen in one summer, that's for sure.

    Hayden's a tidy midfielder, why would we want to sell him?

    Why would you get rid of Perez who also has room to improve? That would leave us with ONE striker...

    Colback is not first team but he's definitely a squad player at the minute.

    Who are you going to replace all these players with? Use your basic number game of well this guys on 20k that guys on 60k, we'll get 5m for him and 10m for him so that means we can get either a 40m striker or 4 10m players... Who are these players going to be?

    It's a TEAM game, not a name game like you like to think it is, this TEAM got us promoted and you can't just ship all them out and **** all over the team spirit, ethic and cohesion that did it's job, you need to improve it over time, for obvious reasons in that you won't get all your targets in one window, you won't get rid of all your dead wood, you can't unbalance the side and you need a ****ing squad...

    Rafa will build his team over a few windows, short term thinking like yours is what got us in this mess, which you point out about Shephard and Hall so why the **** are you trying to go on like a "drug addict" with your way of quick fixing, which completely ignores the dynamic of the team, structure of the squad/everyday training, team building etc and is just using the logic of replacing crap names with more expensive names without realising that we could be in the same/worse position... A team needs to be built over time unless you have endless millions, it's long term vision and this is what we've missed and lead to MA mistakes, we now have a manager who knows how to run a club and build a team with ethos... First port of call is to improve the first team, we're now doing that (slowly), so that we have 11 players that are capable of playing his style and do a job (they may just surprise people like you, they didn't do that bad last season) then consolidate our position with January signings if our targets are available.. Next summer will be about wholesale changes to improve us and we'll hopefully have higher sell on values because of our season in the Prem and we'll have PL money to back us.

    Short term vision mate, borrow some glasses and you might start seeing what Rafa's actually trying to achieve... Names don't just go together like on a game, they have to be the right people with the right character otherwise you end up with Luque's, Owen's and on the other hand players who see us as a stepping stone like Cabaye, Sissoko et el...

    Murphy, Aarons, Shelvey, Hayden, Gayle, Lescelles are all GOOD young English player's who WANT to play and perform for us and Ritchie, Perez, Yedlin, Clarke and even Mbemba(to a lesser extent because of his loan/injuries) have all bought into that and have committed to the team and ethic that Rafa has installed.

    If you sign for us, you've got to want to play for us and perform to at least a level where hard work is the bare minimum.

    I'd take those "shyte" signings over your unrealistic footy manager *******s suggestions any day of the week and that's why we've got a man with one of the most successful resumes in the league over some prat spouting **** from Peterborough tbh mate.

    So yeah, I'll keep my faith in Rafa's LOGIC and EXPERTISE over your basic crap any day of the week matey, crack on

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    Quote Originally Posted by northernrock View Post
    you say you own a business but your posts make you come across like a spotty kid playing footy manager with little to no understand of how finances work in the real world, your using monopoly logic, it's pretty basic tbh mate.

    Aye a lot of dead wood needs shifting but that's part and parcel of improving your squad, it takes time, it's not all going to happen in one summer, that's for sure.

    Hayden's a tidy midfielder, why would we want to sell him?

    Why would you get rid of perez who also has room to improve? That would leave us with one striker...

    Colback is not first team but he's definitely a squad player at the minute.

    Who are you going to replace all these players with? Use your basic number game of well this guys on 20k that guys on 60k, we'll get 5m for him and 10m for him so that means we can get either a 40m striker or 4 10m players... Who are these players going to be?

    It's a team game, not a name game like you like to think it is, this team got us promoted and you can't just ship all them out and **** all over the team spirit, ethic and cohesion that did it's job, you need to improve it over time, for obvious reasons in that you won't get all your targets in one window, you won't get rid of all your dead wood, you can't unbalance the side and you need a ****ing squad...

    Rafa will build his team over a few windows, short term thinking like yours is what got us in this mess, which you point out about shephard and hall so why the **** are you trying to go on like a "drug addict" with your way of quick fixing, which completely ignores the dynamic of the team, structure of the squad/everyday training, team building etc and is just using the logic of replacing crap names with more expensive names without realising that we could be in the same/worse position... A team needs to be built over time unless you have endless millions, it's long term vision and this is what we've missed and lead to ma mistakes, we now have a manager who knows how to run a club and build a team with ethos... First port of call is to improve the first team, we're now doing that (slowly), so that we have 11 players that are capable of playing his style and do a job (they may just surprise people like you, they didn't do that bad last season) then consolidate our position with january signings if our targets are available.. Next summer will be about wholesale changes to improve us and we'll hopefully have higher sell on values because of our season in the prem and we'll have pl money to back us.

    Short term vision mate, borrow some glasses and you might start seeing what rafa's actually trying to achieve... Names don't just go together like on a game, they have to be the right people with the right character otherwise you end up with luque's, owen's and on the other hand players who see us as a stepping stone like cabaye, sissoko et el...

    Murphy, aarons, shelvey, hayden, gayle, lescelles are all good young english player's who want to play and perform for us and ritchie, perez, yedlin, clarke and even mbemba(to a lesser extent because of his loan/injuries) have all bought into that and have committed to the team and ethic that rafa has installed.

    If you sign for us, you've got to want to play for us and perform to at least a level where hard work is the bare minimum.

    I'd take those "shyte" signings over your unrealistic footy manager *******s suggestions any day of the week and that's why we've got a man with one of the most successful resumes in the league over some prat spouting **** from peterborough tbh mate.

    So yeah, i'll keep my faith in rafa's logic and expertise over your basic crap any day of the week matey, crack on
    oh well youd want to be a pound behind me mate

    i didnt read it
    i just feel anyone that comes on a forum to write war and peace is a bit of an attention seeker really

    rafa has acieved one relegation one promotion that not being funny anyone would have done
    and he didnt do it to convincing and he did it short term views

    we are now stuck with players he brought in and we cant move henc hampeing our succes in the prem

    he doent have one of the best resumes
    he has been sacked from nearly every job

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    Quote Originally Posted by pboromag View Post
    he doent have one of the best resumes
    he has been sacked from nearly every job
    Valencia - resigned in a strop.
    Liverpool - left by 'mutual consent'.
    Inter - sacked.
    Chelsea - saw out the full term of his season-long contract as interim manager.
    Napoli - saw out the full term of his 2 year contract.
    Real Madrid - sacked.
    Newcastle - still here.

    Sacked 3 out of 7 jobs. Nearly half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pboromag View Post
    oh well youd want to be a pound behind me mate

    i didnt read it
    i just feel anyone that comes on a forum to write war and peace is a bit of an attention seeker really

    rafa has acieved one relegation one promotion that not being funny anyone would have done
    and he didnt do it to convincing and he did it short term views

    we are now stuck with players he brought in and we cant move henc hampeing our succes in the prem

    he doent have one of the best resumes
    he has been sacked from nearly every job
    So Rafa achieved one relegation. That's a total load of Bollox man. The relegation was caused long before by Ashley's stupid managerial decisions before Rafa arrived.

    Ashley is responsible for both relegations through constant bad decisions and penny pinching.

    If you can count, Rafa only had 8 games left of which only one was lost.

    Look at results and if that is relegation form then you need to learn to count as had that average been attained throughout the season we would have finished 14th with 43 points.

    Now you owe Rafa an apology.

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