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Thread: Five defenders?

  1. #1

    Five defenders?

    One of whom is a midfielder playing out of position.

    In my book, having a squad adequately prepared for injuries and suspensions at the start of the season - for the duration (or until January) is part of the manager's job. He's not doing his job properly, to be frank (Unless he's going to play a 2-5-3 formation, of course, but I'm suspecting he'll have at least four at the back). The risk of injuries and suspensions to your back four is high, especially when they all lack pace - plus you have no competition for places. The full-backs (and for all intents and purposes the centre-backs minus Ellis) know they can turn up, do whatever they like - perform to any standard - and we'll still be forced to pick them.

    Accepting this level of risk is thoroughly unprofessional, and completely unacceptable for our club.

    I'd add this to the captitulation after Christmas, the failure to plan and be proactive in the January transfer window, the waste of resources on terrible players last season and the abject failure to improve our defence as reasons why I don't believe Curle should continue in employment as our manager.

    Also, I still believe in the old adage that good teams are built from the back - our team hasn't been. It doesn't matter who you have in midfield or upfront if you don't have adequate quality and cover in the defence - the lessons from the past two and half seasons have not been learned.

    If he proves me wrong, the back four stay fit all season and miraculously transform into a quality defence - I'll eat my hat. But I'm not holding my breath.

  2. #2
    I completely agree about our weaknesses and the poor squad-building Piglet. Unfortunately we can't afford to pay up his contract so he'd have to resign, and he won't do that unless he has another Club lined up. He was saying "come and get me" in all but words at the end of last season, and no one came, so I reckon we're stuck with him.

  3. #3
    Early days yet.
    Transfer window remains open.
    Abbott and Kavanagh proved that, whatever the budget, it is easy to make a total cock of it at this level.
    After them KC has been like a breath of fresh air and our league position has improved every season.
    If he achieves the same this season he will have done incredibly well.
    Can't you at least wait until after the first game to start whingeing like old women?

  4. #4
    A poor performance this season reflect badly on Curle, and he won't want that. So why has his budget been spunked on everything but the defence. It doesn't make sense. What I'm talking about is poor judgement. If I'm complaining about it in the boardroom I also have to criticise what's going on in the Manager's office.

  5. #5
    Wouldn't it be reasonable to judge him on results ...once the season starts?

  6. #6
    No, it wouldn't be.

    If you hire someone to manage the build of your house, and you turn up on the day you're supposed to move in - and there's only half a roof on top of the walls - what do you do?

    You don't say, "Let's move in to the house and live in it for six months - to see if we might get wet". You'd tell him to "do one" then employ someone who actually knows what they're doing. You shouldn't even have to say "I need a f_cking waterproof roof without any holes, you abject cretin", especially if he's been managing the build for THREE YEARS.

    I gave him a fair chance, for a good few years - but he's failed - he hasn't learned from mistakes, he doesn't even understand what his mistakes have been and our squad is an unbalanced shambles. I've had enough of his amateurish approach and bullsh1t excuses, it's time for Curle to go.

  7. #7
    To be fair, he isn't as bad as Abbott or Kavanagh, and he's probably the best we can afford. But the facts speak for themselves. One up front wasn't working, and we weren't really a threat on their goal (Lambe hitting the post aside) until Bennett came on but that was f ar too late. Moorlad pointed out that they were knackered just after half-time and we should have gone for the jugular as soon as their second went in. Let's hope that Parkes' injury isn't long-term or we're struggling at the back. Another injury there and we could see Lambe at right-back full time.

    I know that we have to cut our cloth a bit more carefully now but when you have a reduced budget - as Curle admitted yesterday - you don't spunk some of it on midfielders that you don't really need. He also accepted that he can't sign any more, even as cover, unless someone moves out.

    We could be lucky and get through the season with these players. We might even have a chance of the playoffs if we do. But the chances of that are extremely low as the balance of the squad is wrong imho and that's down to Curle.

  8. #8
    To be fair i did say "Can't you at least wait until after the first game to start whingeing like old women?"

    It's after the first game now so it's 1-0 to the whingeing women.

    But still early days yet, so best not to panic.

  9. #9
    Of course I whinge. I stand in the Paddock.

  10. #10
    What were your opening words on the "Predictocomp Table 2017-18" thread?

    "Remember it's a marathon, not a sprint".

    Having said that, it always feels like a marathon watching Carlisle.

  11. #11
    Have you seen this one from the Club/Curle?

    "Defender Tom Parkes had his debut for the club cut short on Saturday afternoon as an awkward landing following a second half aerial challenge proved just too much for him to shake off.

    Manager Keith Curle explained what had happened at his post-match press conference.

    “Tom jarred his ankle,” he explained. “His whole weight has gone through his joint and put it into an unnatural position, so we’ll have to see how it settles down. He’s a big lad and I thought he was playing really well.

    “He’s built up a good understanding with Mark Ellis and Gary Liddle so hopefully he’ll be ready to go again quickly. We certainly didn’t need another injury when we’re thin on the ground already, but we’ll see how it goes.”

    “It might give Mark Ellis a chance and he’s been excellent in and around the group,” he continued. “He’s desperate to do well and he just wants to be part of it.

    “We’ll be looking at some of the youth team players we’ve got in the building because when one door closes another one opens, and sometimes what you need is an opportunity.”

    And on midfielder John O’Sullivan, who was ruled out before the season started last week, he said: “John is going to see a specialist on Monday and he’ll be having an operation, so he’s ruled out for a while.

    “I think we’ve only got 15 professionals available because there was another player who took a knock during the game as well as Tom Parkes. We’ll be down to the bare bones on Tuesday but we’ll be very competitive.”

    It wasn't just Parkes (probably Tom Miller too), and they're looking at the youth squad!

    Is this really a professional management of dwindling resources?

  12. #12
    Dwindling resources are due to inept management from the top.

    To be fair to KC you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

    The fault lies with the BOD.

    If the floating voters (fair weather fans) had some belief in the owners there would be, at least, another 1,000 on the average gate which would enable KC to recruit a bit of depth to the squad.

    1,000 x 20 (average spend) x 23 (no of matches) = 460,000 p.a.

    Enough money for 4 or 5 decent recruits.

    Maybe 5 defenders?

  13. #13
    I'm with you up to a point, which is "belief....in the current owners", something that many staying away don't have. I think also remembering someone from the Club saying that, after costs, the average income from each ticket sale is 11, so some revision is needed to your calculation. Point taken though.

    Whatever money is made available to Curle there has to be balanced spending. That's where my criticism lies.

  14. #14
    Excellent result last night.

    KC seems to have acquired a few players that are adaptable.

    Some previously considered as "midfield" (e.g. Lambe, Liddle and Etuhu) may prove to be equally capable of doing a job in defence.

    Maybe the squad isn't an "unbalanced shambles" after all... and the transfer window is still open.

    Still early days but KC pulls one back.

    Whingers 1 v KC 1.

  15. #15
    Cambridge 1 v Carlisle 2.

    Well f*** me. We've won again.

    Well done KC and the boys.

    Whingers 1 v KC 2

  16. #16
    I'll be happy to follow this thread mate. I've no doubt that we'll pick up a few points and be in contention/mid-table until the heavy grounds come back and the injuries build up. Beyond then.......as I say we'll have to wait and see.

    Of course, Curle might just sign a couple of defenders....

  17. #17
    As Griff said, this thread's not really too much about what happens in August.

    I don't reckon Ellis has got forty plus games in his legs, Parkes has already been injured (who knows what the long term cost of "battling through it" might be?) - and we've already had every single defender at the club on the pitch at the same time for a couple of games this season.

    It's an unsustainable situation and a disaster waiting to happen.

    Despite his appalling fitness, I've been quite impressed with Parkes so far - but again, he looks like he's just rolled up from a day at the pub and Mario's pizza shop, I'll eat my hat if he makes it through the season unscathed.

  18. #18
    You're gonna need more than five defenders when you play the mighty Notts

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Piglet_Phoenix View Post
    No, it wouldn't be.

    If you hire someone to manage the build of your house, and you turn up on the day you're supposed to move in - and there's only half a roof on top of the walls - what do you do?

    You don't say, "Let's move in to the house and live in it for six months - to see if we might get wet". You'd tell him to "do one" then employ someone who actually knows what they're doing. You shouldn't even have to say "I need a f_cking waterproof roof without any holes, you abject cretin", especially if he's been managing the build for THREE YEARS.

    I gave him a fair chance, for a good few years - but he's failed - he hasn't learned from mistakes, he doesn't even understand what his mistakes have been and our squad is an unbalanced shambles. I've had enough of his amateurish approach and bullsh1t excuses, it's time for Curle to go.
    Good analogy about the house Piglet.

    Bearing in mind this week's revelations about the EWM stand it probably would have been more appropriately aimed at the Board.

    After all they are now stealing money, promised for the playing budget, to repair the roof!

  20. #20
    Good defensive performance today, though Miller was injured. If it was a deep-tissue dead-leg he could be out for a couple of weeks. Let's hope that Dolly works his magic.....!

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