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    United States of Europe?

    Juncker presenting his plan for more integration in Europe in his state of the EU speech, telling countries to join the euro or else and a vision of the United States of Europe.

    Glad we're getting out of this.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...European-Union

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    Nigel tells him

    Mr Farage, the best known campaigner in the Parliament for the UK's withdrawal from the EU, attacked what he said were "truly worrying" plans to create a single president of the EU, an EU finance minister and a "strong EU army in a militarised Europe".
    He said what was being proposed was "more Europe in every single direction without the consent of the people".
    He also warned the idea of allowing future candidates to the European Parliament to stand on transnational tickets, rather than representing nation states, was anti-democratic and "reminiscent of regimes of old".
    "You have learnt nothing from Brexit. If you had offered David Cameron concessions, particularly on immigration, I would have to admit that the Brexit vote would never ever have happened," he said.

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    The EU's stock answer to any EU problem is never reform of the EU, it's always more EU. They're swimming against the tide of history, the Soviet Union disintegrated, Yugoslavia disintegrated, in the UK we're devolving ever more power to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland. But the EU juggernaut rolls on regardless, it's destination a European Super State, sowing the seeds of it's own destruction, blind to it's folly, more and more centralisation of power, more decision making by an unelected elite. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see it's doomed to failure, it's only a matter of when, not if.

    Hopefully the traitors and fifth-columnists in this country's establishment, trying every trick in the book to keep us in will fail, and we'll soon be out of this vile, corrupt, undemocratic bureaucracy, but they won't go down without a fight, too many snouts in the EU trough, too many on the EU gravy train. It's not over yet.

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    It's an unmitigated power grab. It's time we told them these are the rules of disengagement and let's crack on.

    North Korea needs a viable trading partner and our kennels are bursting at the seams...(now strapping tin hat on!)

    A German backed strong EU army in a militarised Europe scares the s h i t out of me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    It's an unmitigated power grab. It's time we told them these are the rules of disengagement and let's crack on.

    North Korea needs a viable trading partner and our kennels are bursting at the seams...(now strapping tin hat on!)

    A German backed strong EU army in a militarised Europe scares the s h i t out of me!
    'Strong EU Army' is a bit of an oxymoron BT, it might scare the **** of you but Putin won't be losing any sleep, in fact he'd welcome it, it weakens NATO, and would be a laughing stock as a fighting force.

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    This is what Remain people "forget" is the European project never sleeps; it will end when there are no nation states left and we are all regional areas of the Federal Empire. They will next move on to a Global government just watch conspiracy theory today reality tomorrow; just like the EU army they once told us was NOT happening. There is a map on the internet showing the regions of Europe by numbers!! Quite sobering. So much for Scottish Nat/Welch Nat continuation of their domains under the EU. The sooner we get out of the nightmare the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    'Strong EU Army' is a bit of an oxymoron BT, it might scare the **** of you but Putin won't be losing any sleep, in fact he'd welcome it, it weakens NATO, and would be a laughing stock as a fighting force.
    Now ... what language are we speaking?

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    Here's how i understand it !!

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    Good one Server

    On that theme Market watch also asks What Planet is the EU on
    http://www.marke****ch.com/story/ear...ity-2017-09-15

    I see they now want one President

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    Wow so Market Watch is offensive if you merge the words, just as S****horpe or do we have to say Scun Thorpe

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    Why on earth do people want this unelected (by the people of Britain) eejit blackmailing and threatening us..?

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    Good question BT, you can add it to 'Why is Joe Hart still playing for England ?', as one of the mysteries of the age.

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    I am still struggling to see why the EU are so upset that we are leaving? If we mean nothing to them, what's the problem? If our trade deals mean nothing, what's the problem? If they're not bothered about whether they dictate our Laws, Policies and Rights, then what's the problem? If the money we've been paying them is insignificant, what's the problem? If the UK is just an insignificant Island across the Channel, then what is the problem? The unelected leaders of the EU are saying they will punish the UK for leaving, and then wonder why we are?

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    they are upset because they like our money and won't have it after Brexit, unless they can hold us to ransom, by rubbishing our efforts and trying to pressurise us into a last minute unfavourable deal.
    I just hope we can make a clean break but too many still want to stay and are working hard to help them screw us.

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    They EU bigwigs are seriously getting up my nose now and I am not alone. Time we started tightening the screws...

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    They don't believe in democracy, every referendum that's had the 'wrong' result for them has been re-run until the 'right' result has been achieved, and they've never made any secret of the fact that consequences would follow, unless countries fell into line and voted the 'right' way next time. Our referendum has really put their noses out of joint, because they never expected a Leave vote, and they have no power to order a re-run.

    They are now afraid of other countries wanting to leave should our economy thrive outside of the EU, so their aim is to ensure it doesn't. They are quite willing to inflict damage on the economies of their own EU countries as well as a consequence, that's as nothing to them, compared to the survival of the grand European superstate project.

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    I've noticed the BRITISH pound is back on the road to recovery!

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    All I read every day is that we are having problems reaching a deal for leaving the EU, Divorce settlement this and that.

    For me I don't see a problem as we import more than we export to them and there are bigger fish in the sea, may cost us a little extra in the short term but there are others who would trade with us, not forgetting the EU would lose too much trade in their automobile industries for starters.

    All it takes is a few wise folk with a lot of backbone to tell them NO DIVORCE SETTLEMENT, OUR BORDERS ARE NOW CLOSED AND JUST WALK AWAY, if they want to trade with us after their exports suffer (which they will) they could always come back to us with a deal, we voted to leave and it should be done and dusted, bollox to all the MP's with their snouts in the EU trough and their wealthy friends, this should be done for the benefit of the British people not the high and mighty.

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    I think the problem Alto is that it's a bit like when Princess Di said there were three of them in her marriage, there are three parties involved in Brexit, the UK, the 27 other EU countries, and the EU elite, but only two of them are involved in the negotiations. A trade deal would be the sensible way forward, beneficial for us and beneficial for the 27, but the EU Elite aren't interested, they have a different agenda, and unfortunately they're the ones we have to negotiate with.

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    That's exactly what I mean Sinkov, they are playing hard ball and want exorbitant amount of cash, just walk away and pay nothing, no trade deals at all, they will suffer more than we will, the EU as yourself has stated is an illegitimate business, and it will fail sooner rather than later.

    Problems every day in the `negotiations` the EU Want more, just cut the tie with no deals and look elsewhere where there are other (better) Countries to deal with as the EU are not the only shop in the street, I'd bet after that they'd be the first to come back to us with fairer deals, but like I say it takes folk on our side who have some bollox, something we greatly lack.

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    Just work within the very reliable regulations of the World Trade Organisation and sod the EU.

    We can trade merrily along, exempt VAT and duty in or out with the 27 EU member states and crack on!

    One thing we need to do is assure all citizens of EU heritage who decided to settle here and build a life pre-Brexit that they are guaranteed the right to remain here with all of the same rights as a British citizen. Of course it will be incumbent on the EU to reciprocate with the same deal for British citizens settled in any one of the 27 EU member states.

    Not hard is it? Like you say Alto, someone needs to grow a pair and just do it!

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