.. You can't blame the mags for obsessing about Sunderland ..

[sherwoodmag]

I was lucky enough to be around when we won 3 FA Cups in five years in the days before European competitions when winning the cup was the big prize not the League.We were a big club and held the post war average attendance until Man U overtook it in 1968.How many clubs could get home gates of 50,000 in the second tier of their League.

[ex_pat_magpie]

For clubs like ours, success is all relative. In reality, for most clubs that's the case. There are only 4 trophies each season so almost every club will be disappointed if winning stuff was the be all and the end all.

So, success has to be measured differently, whether that be competing well near the top of the league, having a decent cup run, playing exciting football, memorable victories against 'bigger' clubs or your local rivals,etc. Success for the mackems is stuff like the 6 in a row and if we had done that, we would be rightly taking the piss out of them (although not, imo, to the extent that they do-we had their lives for a long time before that and didn't indulge in half the shtte they do but, hey ho..) so that's just something we have to take on the chin.

For us, the Keegan-and to a lesser extent-the Sir Bobby eras were our taste of success and they were magical times, particularly the Keegan era. Would I swap those times for 6 in a row? Would i shite...some incredible memories-some of the games, some of the players...man, it was incredible to be a part of it.

Who knows what could happen if Ashley backed Rafa properly-sadly, we'll probably never know; plus, if you'd said to the folk coming away from our Fairs Cup win that we wouldn't win anything again until at least 2018 (and counting after that...) or to the folk who saw us win 3 FA cups in the 50's, they'd have said 'nah, course we will'. So, we have to look at success in other ways. And you have to have hope that real success will come our way again.

There's always hope.

But you must remember that they were 3RD DIVISION CHAMPIONS in 1988.

That's a title we've never been able to achieve, and never will

[ex_pat_magpie]

I was lucky enough to be around when we won 3 FA Cups in five years in the days before European competitions when winning the cup was the big prize not the League.We were a big club and held the post war average attendance until Man U overtook it in 1968.How many clubs could get home gates of 50,000 in the second tier of their League.

Heady days those Mick, Beating Arsenal, Blackpool, one of the top clubs in those days with Stan Matthews and Mortenson and the rest of thier stars, and Man City who were also a top club then.

[Kal]

Has that thread about rafa passed the 300 page mark yet?

It has now.

[ex_pat_magpie]

When it comes down to it, it's not an obsession at all.

It's just enjoying the plight they are in MUCH MORE than they were able to enjoy the plight we were in last season.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Now then. We are fourth top of the Premiership

And they are also fourth,but fourth bottom of the Fizzy.

Need anyone say more.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Amazing how quiet Andyj73 is these days. I wonder if he's looking up travel timetables to the likes of Fleetwood, Bury and Gillingham etc.

It looks as if Shrewsbury and Peterborough might leapfrog them and Bradford could be their "local derby"

[MitchMag]

Amazing how quiet Andyj73 is these days. I wonder if he's looking up travel timetables to the likes of Fleetwood, Bury and Gillingham etc.

It looks as if Shrewsbury and Peterborough might leapfrog them and Bradford could be their "local derby"

Looking increasingly likely. At moment are 1.2 v Cardiff at home with 10 mins left to play.

[MitchMag]

That's the way it ended another nail in their coffin.

[MitchMag]

Ha Ha it gets better they have slipped into the bottom 3.