O/T German elections

[Trickytreesreds]

Well, I can tell you regarding Frankfurt / Essen / Bavaria, one of the Platforms at Frankfurt train station was turned into a refugee reception centre for when refugees arrived, they were then shipped to at least one ex US army base in Hanau that was in mothballs and was re opened to house the ' refugees '. Interestingly Hanau already has a large Turkish population. (At Hanau train station there's a board with photos and stories of how the Jews were shipped from there to concentration camps, really sobering when you're standing there and knowing what went off where you were standing) The Germans I know in some way feel the same way some of us do here, that we are losing our identity and the values / traditions that we and they have grown up with. Intergration is difficult for both sides and surprisingly it seemed more for some reason for the Turks there.

I go to the US a fair bit with work and for all their faults there's one thing I really like, and that's they have pride in their country and who they are, US flags in people's gardens, businesses etc, NASCAR races the national anthem plays and everyone stops hand on hearts while it plays. Airport boarding, serviceman and veterans first etc, for all their faults they know who they are and what they are, their past and values and that's I think the problem is in europe. I think people think their identities are being diluted and voting AfD etc is their way of trying to protect those values.

Personally, after working and living in europe and being an 'Auslander' I can see both sides. Security, identity and immigration are big issues on the continent, the EU situation could be eased if physical borders were re-introduced to ease people's fears.

Not a lot as been said about the Italians but the ones I know are even more pissed off than the Germans, they have no work, the country is a gateway for immigrants (in their eyes)
Interesting times for the future in europe.

PS As for Sid's thing with the Poles, again working with Germans, Czechs etc as a rule of thumb the further east you go the worse the racism / intolerance is. From what I've seen we are very tolerant as a nationality. People use the N word as a matter of course over there, I've been genuinely shocked to how racism is so open and accepted over to the east.

spot on Kelds, you put it better than I did.
Sid is like the majority of self hating Brits here.
We should feel remorse, yet there is far worse under our noses. The Poles themselves are an intolerant people, yet immigration if it suits them, works.
The EU has a lot to answer for.
As I said earlier, when I fly to Nurenburg, the pot is boiling.

[tarquinbeech]

A majority voted Remain in London, where the majority of immigrants go, Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester, Leicester, Newcastle and Glasgow just to name a few places.

But yeah Boston and maybe Rotherham voted to leave.

I get what you're saying BFP......BUT you're logic is slightly flawed......of course city centres are going to vote for "more of the same" if they already have high immigrant numbers, councillors, MPs etc..............this is how Labour control big councils.....MORE IMMIGRATION....it's nothing to do with living, working and socialising......it's to do with Electoral Power

There was interesting "under-cover" documentary done in Tower Hamlets years ago, where Muslim Activists were flooding the area with Muslim students, Muslim immigrants etc in return for a guaranteed vote at the ballot box....their argument was that once they controlled one borough, they could use the "domino effect" to control more and more boroughs....it worked.....now they've got the Mayor as well.

......but once outside the city centres, the Whites that have "fled the flood" take over the ballot box....both Labour and Tory have realised the problem and back-tracked and now support Brexit.....tbh, it was a close thing.....another 10 years and huge areas of the Midlands would have passed the tipping point.

[Trickytreesreds]

I get what you're saying BFP......BUT you're logic is slightly flawed......of course city centres are going to vote for "more of the same" if they already have high immigrant numbers, councillors, MPs etc..............this is how Labour control big councils.....MORE IMMIGRATION....it's nothing to do with living, working and socialising......it's to do with Electoral Power

There was interesting "under-cover" documentary done in Tower Hamlets years ago, where Muslim Activists were flooding the area with Muslim students, Muslim immigrants etc in return for a guaranteed vote at the ballot box....their argument was that once they controlled one borough, they could use the "domino effect" to control more and more boroughs....it worked.....now they've got the Mayor as well.

......but once outside the city centres, the Whites that have "fled the flood" take over the ballot box....both Labour and Tory have realised the problem and back-tracked and now support Brexit.....tbh, it was a close thing.....another 10 years and huge areas of the Midlands would have passed the tipping point.

yep, in one

[Trickytreesreds]

Take Nottingham. Hysen Green was a Caribbean settlement 30 years ago. Now they have moved out and it's a Muslim enclave.
Tipping points indeed

[seriouspie]

Take Nottingham. Hysen Green was a Caribbean settlement 30 years ago. Now they have moved out and it's a Muslim enclave.
Tipping points indeed

Agreed.

[JoePass]

Take Nottingham. Hysen Green was a Caribbean settlement 30 years ago. Now they have moved out and it's a Muslim enclave.
Tipping points indeed

Tricks..its Hyson, change it befor the Corbanistas get at you.

[tarquinbeech]

Take Nottingham. Hysen Green was a Caribbean settlement 30 years ago. Now they have moved out and it's a Muslim enclave.
Tipping points indeed

Some right characters in this Hyson Green video of the 60's and 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAh1vUUV4E

[tarquinbeech]

Some right characters in this Hyson Green video of the 60's and 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAh1vUUV4E

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70U5bw-aS7w

[JoePass]

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70U5bw-aS7w

Bring back the days when you could go to the Old General and listen to live jazz and now its being mugged or stabbed. Oh well.

[tarquinbeech]

Bring back the days when you could go to the Old General and listen to live jazz and now its being mugged or stabbed. Oh well.

Bought my first freehold pub there, just around the corner from the OG.....cracking little boozer, no problems with fighting or drugs...the occasional petty burglary with people looking for the till or some spirits once every 3 or 4 years.