how bad will our punishment be?

[waalsendmick]

if the tax avoidance / fraud is as bad as is being reported?

I can't believe this isn't being discussed more!

I think we will be relegated and hit with a transfer embargo and a large fine.

Ashley isn't prepared to put any money in, so we are fecked!

i.am.genuinely worried about this, it seems it is going to escalate somewhat

[Zippity]

Honestly no idea, Mick.

You can't believe the club would be so stupid as to try to defraud the taxman given how high profile a business football is. You start thinking 'there's no smoke without fire' so maybe the best we can hope for is that it's like those celebs who were castigated for tax avoidance rather than tax evasion, i.e. unethical but not illegal.

If it's as bad as some suggest then you'd think relegation, a huuuuge fine and a transfer embargo is definitely on the cards.

How long do these things take to work their way through the system? Anyone know?

[pboromag]

i didnt think they were allowed to use any eveidence seized from the offices

apparently they didnt break any rules
but apparently what they did seize cant be used in court

[ashingtoon62]

i didnt think they were allowed to use any eveidence seized from the offices

apparently they didnt break any rules
but apparently what they did seize cant be used in court

Why not? the warrants have been found legal...

[ex_pat_magpie]

i didnt think they were allowed to use any eveidence seized from the offices

apparently they didnt break any rules
but apparently what they did seize cant be used in court

Get real man. Where on earth did you hear that waffle. H.M.R.C. has more powers than the police.

[ashingtoon62]

Get real man. Where on earth did you hear that waffle. H.M.R.C. has more powers than the police.

True but they can't deduct points can they.That would be up to the prem,it will be very interesting to see what they do..
If it is just tax evasion on the £1.9 mill dodgy agent fee,they wouldnt dare.Imagine the can of worms that would be opened then..
The prem should take action against agents and their practises...

[ex_pat_magpie]

True but they can't deduct points can they.That would be up to the prem,it will be very interesting to see what they do..
If it is just tax evasion on the £1.9 mill dodgy agent fee,they wouldnt dare.Imagine the can of worms that would be opened then..
The prem should take action against agents and their practises...

No Ash, I was referring to Pboro's inane remark that HMRC can't use evidence seized from the offices.

If we get a points deduction and another of Ashley's famous relegations ensues I wonder what Pboro's justification of Ashley will be then.

[pboromag]

get real man. Where on earth did you hear that waffle. H.m.r.c. Has more powers than the police.

you get real plastic
they have the material and cannot even look at it until nufc have had their appeal

the tax office do not have more powers than the police
that is a load of old wives tales
they arent even preferential creditors now

they have only as much power as anyone wishing to get a warrant for a seizure of eveidence

they have to go to the same courts and get the same warrant

[sherwoodmag]

Where did the press get their figures from? Some are saying taxes on £500 million of transfers between 2011 and 2014,that's a joke for a start.
As for point deductions that is normally if a club goes into receivership owing the taxman as well as others.The taxman was into me for £2000 not paid on my pensions,I had kept all my P60s and although the money was owed it was their fault for not taking it and I didn't pay a penny.Their admin failure not mine.Lets hope the Toon pays up if they owe and its all sorted.

[ashingtoon62]

Where did the press get their figures from? Some are saying taxes on £500 million of transfers between 2011 and 2014,that's a joke for a start.
As for point deductions that is normally if a club goes into receivership owing the taxman as well as others.The taxman was into me for £2000 not paid on my pensions,I had kept all my P60s and although the money was owed it was their fault for not taking it and I didn't pay a penny.Their admin failure not mine.Lets hope the Toon pays up if they owe and its all sorted.

The Toon have been involved in £500m of transfers in ten years since fatpuss took over,then the scum press get this figure which is real..Then the fecking parasites print "mebbes the tax man is investigating all of these transfers"..kernts..