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Thread: The Curse of Mediocrity

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    The Curse of Mediocrity

    Well I've been a fan of Forest for 37 years officially. Maybe 40 if you add the kiddie years.
    Of course I started at the top. Forest were Kings of Europe. Clough was the closest thing to God.
    And of course, as I grew older I knew those halcyon days won't last given our history and size.
    So in that sense I'm satisfied as a fan.
    Still there were several years of top flight football and pleasing football.
    Even after Clough, things were a bit interesting, the highs and lows. Dropping to the 3rd tier didn't dull my interest.

    However I suppose as you get older, other things become more important and football despite Shanks great phrase, no longer applies as it once did.

    Forest if they were involved in a meaningful challenge for promotion would at least spice things up.

    But year in year out as also rans and 1 step forward 2 steps back, eventually it gets to you.

    Managers and players promising 1 thing but delivering another typical mediocre result.

    Frankly I'm reaching a stage where I'm no longer excited to watch games and be updated about the things that happen in the club.

    It's the curse of mediocrity.
    I am curious if some of you are experiencing it?

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    [QUOTE=Romanis;38680208]Well I've been a fan of Forest for 37 years officially. Maybe 40 if you add the kiddie years.
    Of course I started at the top. Forest were Kings of Europe. Clough was the closest thing to God.
    And of course, as I grew older I knew those halcyon days won't last given our history and size.
    So in that sense I'm satisfied as a fan.
    Still there were several years of top flight football and pleasing football.
    Even after Clough, things were a bit interesting, the highs and lows. Dropping to the 3rd tier didn't dull my interest.

    However I suppose as you get older, other things become more important and football despite Shanks great phrase, no longer applies as it once did.

    Forest if they were involved in a meaningful challenge for promotion would at least spice things up.

    But year in year out as also rans and 1 step forward 2 steps back, eventually it gets to you.

    Managers and players promising 1 thing but delivering another typical mediocre result.

    Frankly I'm reaching a stage where I'm no longer excited to watch games and be updated about the things that happen in the club.

    It's the curse of mediocrity.
    I am curious if some of you are experiencing it?[/QUOTe


    I know exactly where your coming from

    I think that there's now an acceptance with me that Derby will never regain any dominant power in English football


    When Derby lose their best players to the likes of Huddersfield Watford and Burnley ,it hits home.

    There was a time when players would choose Derby over so called smaller clubs even if they were playing at a higher level.

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    Yes Eddy that's correct. Now if you unearth a gem, holding on to him for a season is considered a miracle.

    Bamford is 1 example.

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    Never.

    My head accepts that I'll never see the ultimate glory days ahead and I don't even approach the start of a season with a lot of hope, but on a match by match level I still have the buzz, in fact over the last five years its increased. There is NO feeling like the feeling I get when the ball hits the net for a Derby goal, I was fit to explode when Vydra scored on Sunday and I wasn't even at the match.

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    I'm with you there Andy. Being there Sunday made me realise how much I miss actually going to the games. I don't think my little boy has ever seen me jump up like I did in that first minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxRam View Post
    I'm with you there Andy. Being there Sunday made me realise how much I miss actually going to the games. I don't think my little boy has ever seen me jump up like I did in that first minute.
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    Exactly
    It's all relative though eddy. Burnley and Huddersfield (not Watford admittedly) have histories at least as glamorous as ours...just from slightly longer ago.
    No matter the level though...very little beats that roar of raw emotion when the ball hits the net, when it really matters, as it did twice on Sunday and although I doubt we'll ever win the title again I do think we have the potential to be up with the West Broms, Southamptons and Stokes of this world.

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    Yes. There is always the buzz when we win and score. But defeats, false hopes and the same typical stuff on and off the pitch, all these do add up.

    The killer is not being in a scrap at either end of the table, the killer is midtable mediocrity

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    Never lose faith in you,re club, If Leicester can be champions of England (and did it playing decent football) I am sure the Rams can rise again. Dont know about Forest though LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanis View Post
    Yes. There is always the buzz when we win and score. But defeats, false hopes and the same typical stuff on and off the pitch, all these do add up.

    The killer is not being in a scrap at either end of the table, the killer is midtable mediocrity
    So you wouldn't settle for midtable in the Prem then Romanis? Leicester's achievement aside isn't that the best most outside the top six clubs can hope for? That and maybe a little flirt with Europe or a cup run. Pretty sure Stoke fans have been a happier bunch than either of us over the last decade or so.

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    Dabbo is right never lose faith in your club Did anyone think Huddersfield would get promoted they looked a decent team the season before but not promotion material I try and get to every away match and sometimes it leave's you in dispare but you still do it Its escapism I suppose from running a business But I have complete faith that Mel will get us there Yes we are not a good side yet but I think there will be more changes in Jan we must be patient

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaram View Post
    Dabbo is right never lose faith in your club Did anyone think Huddersfield would get promoted they looked a decent team the season before but not promotion material I try and get to every away match and sometimes it leave's you in dispare but you still do it Its escapism I suppose from running a business But I have complete faith that Mel will get us there Yes we are not a good side yet but I think there will be more changes in Jan we must be patient
    Interesting that you think of it as 'escapism' mista. I'm not so sure.
    Going to the cinema, the theatre, a concert or even a long walk I can see as 'escapism', but when you have such an enormous emotional and financial investment in something then I'm not sure I agree.
    I'm nothing like as committed as you and yet when my team is doing badly it actually has an impact on me...or on my sense of well being at least. God only knows how you must feel on the way back from some of your treks...despair hardly covers it.
    If it is 'escapism' I'm not sure it's working...for most of the last decade I've needed an escape from the roller coaster that is supporting Derby County...it's called 'summer'.
    Last edited by ramAnag; 17-10-2017 at 08:12 PM.

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    Every now and again a side like Leicester winning the league reminds us of just what is possible.

    I listened to Mel Morris in the exec lounge after the game and in my opinion he wants it every bit as much as we do. Why wouldn't he? He is one of us but with incredible wealth.

    In recent seasons however sides that have gone up have not done so on the back of spending millions, more so they have had the right blend and more importantly a spirit of togetherness.

    Give Rowett time and I'm sure he will get the balance right. Wolves and Villa may yet prove that you can buy your way out but in my opinion the key is to get there in the fashion of Watford, Burnley, Huddersfield, Brighton or Bournemouth and then invest in the fashion of a Stoke or Southampton to consolidate the team as regular PL side.

    Some of the money in football saddens me but the buzz I get from DCFC never goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxRam View Post
    Every now and again a side like Leicester winning the league reminds us of just what is possible.

    I listened to Mel Morris in the exec lounge after the game and in my opinion he wants it every bit as much as we do. Why wouldn't he? He is one of us but with incredible wealth.

    In recent seasons however sides that have gone up have not done so on the back of spending millions, more so they have had the right blend and more importantly a spirit of togetherness.

    Give Rowett time and I'm sure he will get the balance right. Wolves and Villa may yet prove that you can buy your way out but in my opinion the key is to get there in the fashion of Watford, Burnley, Huddersfield, Brighton or Bournemouth and then invest in the fashion of a Stoke or Southampton to consolidate the team as regular PL side.

    Some of the money in football saddens me but the buzz I get from DCFC never goes away.
    Good to see a sensible well debated football topic on this forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    So you wouldn't settle for midtable in the Prem then Romanis? Leicester's achievement aside isn't that the best most outside the top six clubs can hope for? That and maybe a little flirt with Europe or a cup run. Pretty sure Stoke fans have been a happier bunch than either of us over the last decade or so.
    The answer is obvious. Being an also ran in the Prem is a whole world of difference to the Championship.
    You get glamour games, every match is live and watched by millions and you attract the best or good players.

    Who wouldn't want to be an Everton or for many years a Villa like team, stuck in the Prem?
    In fact I'd say being in the 3rd tier is better, because you'd expect promotion or playoffs, and getting to Tier 2 from 3 is much easier than 2 to 1. So there'll be a buzz.

    Of course I'm not giving up on my club, but after years of mediocrity, false promises and the same pathetic displays - seriously, our defense have been nothing short of a joke for the past 20 years.

    3 players going after 1 attacker leaving the other attacker free, constant back-pedalling, poor positioning, reckless and so on. You name it, they've done it and done it consistently.

    Support will always be there, but the level of interest given the above, makes the need to prioritise them far lesser. I think this is what's termed - long suffering fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCharlieGeorge View Post
    Good to see a sensible well debated football topic on this forum!

    I plead guilty to this charge, m'lud.

    Lolz.

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    That buzz. It can affect you in strange ways. I flew over the Sunday's game and was sat next to a mate of mine from Stockport. 24 seconds in, Vydra hit the old onion bag. Me and my lad, who was sat the other side of Stockers, were up and jumping about like whirling dervishes. Stockers just stood up, mouth gaping, eyes bulging as if they were on foot and a half long sticks.......... he is not naturally quiet and he cannot remember the ast time he was speechless. I just wish I had had the foresight to whip my phone out and take the picture that told a thousand words.

    As for which League one would rather be in, as fans, we would love to be Champions again. To do that, you have to be in it to win it. Go up, maybe a yoyo or two and then consolidate and slowly finish higher and higher....... It can only happen IF we get to the PL in the first place.

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    KCG " good to see a well debated football topic". Now I wonder who hasn't posted on this topic

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    ramAnag Of course its a form of escapism if you go to the theatre cinema or a concert you know what you get But with Dcfc you never have a clue I did question my sanity though driving back from Crawley on filthy rainy night and out of the cup😊😊

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaram View Post
    ramAnag Of course its a form of escapism if you go to the theatre cinema or a concert you know what you get But with Dcfc you never have a clue I did question my sanity though driving back from Crawley on filthy rainy night and out of the cup����
    Ah now I didn't have that problem Mista as I live less than 10 miles from Crawley

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