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Thread: What has gone wrong

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    What has gone wrong

    With today’s result, things are starting to get rather desperate as the club slips very much into the relegation zone. After the start to the season which promised so much we are in freefall. Where has it all begun to go so badly wrong. Clearly, as a starting point I would suggest that if you leak goals like a sieve then you really are up against it. The results from the two up and coming fixtures will give a strong lead as to whether the club are going to be in a major relegation battle to retain their football league status.
    Last edited by Fidler; 11-11-2017 at 05:56 PM.

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    My goodness that second half was dreadful from the very first minute. It was obvious that Lincoln`s manager had spotted our weakness, and went for it full blast.

    Mind you our weakness is so glaringly obvious it is no surprise. The big surprise is that our manager cannot see what has been the problem for at least 2 months. Our midfield is so weak and easily brushed aside. Lowery being the worst. As was said after the game "he cannot score. he cannot attack and he cannot defend" If he continues being selected it can only get worse.

    We desperately need a strong central midfielder if we are going to avoid relegationprise

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    What ever really went right, apart from a bit of luck?

    It's a shame this board is so dead in general these days, I'd be interested to see what the Davis Out crowd are making of our new boss. As I stated at the time he was sacked: you can get rid of Davis, you can stick with him: it doesn't matter a jot. Our high-profile Academy seems unable to produce players of even League Two standard these days; combine that with a low wage budget and you get the worst Alex squad in 30 years and a very real threat of non-league football at Gresty Road next year.

    In short: the squad is ****e, the manager is inexperienced, a club legend still active in the Academy is suspended (presumably, it's all gone quiet) for alledgedly covering up child abuse, the club's name has been dragged through the mud by being at the tip of the historical child abuse in youth football iceberg, and the atmosphere for home games is just awful.

    I won't be going again in a hurry.

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    I was part of the Davis out brigade, still think that was right, hes hardly pulling up trees at Leyton Orient.

    I like Artell but I cant help but feel hes getting a few things badly wrong. Weve got some talented youngsters in this side but were not playing in ways that are allowing them to shine. Theres no point trying to go toe to toe with a side like Lincoln who are bigger, stronger and fitter, we needed to keep the ball not bring on another big striker and lump it to him.

    No idea why Zooms seems out of favour, you could easily see that Lincoln were targeting Pickering yesterday and it worked a treat.

    Walker must be frustrated, signed as a midfielder, stuck at the back. The midfield badly needs a bit of strength and someone who can keep the ball and hes covering at centre back when we have 3 others in Ng , Stubbs and Nolan.


    Part of this is that the injuries to Jones and Ray have had an impact , but we really should be able to deal with 2 injuries.

    This is down to poor planning not poor players

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    We are currently without 2 midfielders who, if fit would be playing. If these 2 were fit, Lowery would have been rested by now. Lowery is a good player but at this stage in his development needs a short spell out of the side. Not because he is playing badly, but because he needs a break from playing in what is in effect, a losing side.
    I have seen it said that there will be no one coming in come the transfer window. Given the current situation with injuries and hopes rather than assurances over Jones and Ray's return to action, we need to bring a central defender who will be good enough to get into the team and an experienced midfielder who can get in amongst the opposing midfielders. Dare I say, someone like Grant. Anthony, not Conor. Of course, depending on the situation around centre halves,that man may be Walker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsh_Cup_1937 View Post
    What ever really went right, apart from a bit of luck?

    It's a shame this board is so dead in general these days, I'd be interested to see what the Davis Out crowd are making of our new boss. As I stated at the time he was sacked: you can get rid of Davis, you can stick with him: it doesn't matter a jot. Our high-profile Academy seems unable to produce players of even League Two standard these days; combine that with a low wage budget and you get the worst Alex squad in 30 years and a very real threat of non-league football at Gresty Road next year.

    In short: the squad is ****e, the manager is inexperienced, a club legend still active in the Academy is suspended (presumably, it's all gone quiet) for alledgedly covering up child abuse, the club's name has been dragged through the mud by being at the tip of the historical child abuse in youth football iceberg, and the atmosphere for home games is just awful.
    .
    Yeh but apart from those few things everything's going swell.

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    Let’s be realistic our manager was a defender and would run through brick walls assistant was king kenny the midfield general so what’s gone wrong they carnt manage simple

    Second point look at the board when do they put there hand in there pocket never I believe there is nothing in the pot for January.

    Force this geriatric board out or look forward to none league football next year because that’s where we are heading.

    Academy kids not near good enough for men’s football we saw that yesterday ok for 45 mins and then collapse

    Big sort out or there will be no football league team in Cheshire

    Look forward to hearing other people’s views

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    We're probably about where we should be if you look at our budget,which I expect is amongst the 6 or 7 lowest in this league.
    As Dario once said: a manager is only as good as his players.
    Give the Alex job to Klopp,Mourinho,etc and would they fare any better? Doubtful,I'd say.
    We desperately need a new investor with lots of money to come in and inject some life in to this club...before we find ourselves jettisoned into the non-league wilderness-probably never to return.

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    Oh yeh,there is some good news though:
    The academy is the 9th best in the country.
    (We'll overlook the fact the first team is currently the 88th best).

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    Well let’s all boycott the first team games and go and watch the 9th best academy team in the uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston76 View Post
    Well let’s all boycott the first team games and go and watch the 9th best academy team in the uk
    You've hit the nail on the head with that one!

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    The club has only money that it generates through gates or players sold . We need several new players quickly and have a board who cannot invest any money into the club. All has gone quiet on buying the shares off the major share holder. The manager is an ex club captain , ex academy manager and no previous managerial experience. The time has come to look were the priorities lay, 1st team or the academy. We cannot afford to try and service both. If an external manager was appointed I am sure he would not be playing the young players we have in the team as they are not up to the job. I realise they need game time to get experience but week in week out they are being found out . We are in a relegation battle and need to face up to this as a club

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    Together with what I wrote in the "Lincoln" thread, I believe that from Saturday onwards Artell should revert to playing the proper players in their proper positions. Across the back I would play the two recognised full backs of Zooms and Nolan. Then in central midfield I would slot NG alongside Raynes. What has happened to the central defender he has on loan from Wigan? Is he not worth a punt, if Raynes is out of form? I would then move Walker into midfield and give light weight players, such as Lowery a breather. Yes, he has worked tirelessly, but his height against these big guys has really been a big disadvantage of late. I would hope that that Callum Grant chap will start to live up to his billing..... that of an influential man for promotion outfit, Doncaster, last season. Then there is the lad that Artell has been raving about.... that prolific goal scorer, Riley. If he is worth a try, then play him, because the old guy, Porter, just is not with it anymore. Finally, we are certainly missing the likes of Baker and Dario around the club these days. At least Baker would give them a rocket if they did not tow the line (thoughts of Ashton here).

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    Excellent post by Jamesdad. If we do not cnange our midfield we really are going to be in trouble. As far back as the Bolton game it was obvious Lowery was completely out of his depth and lacked any form of discipline or physical strength. In every game straight from the kick off he deserts his post and runs around like a headless chicken. Why does DA allow this match after match? Why does he keep selecting him? After the game on Saturday Terry described him accurately "he cannot score, he cannot attack. and he cannot defend".

    We have to have a complete change of players in our midfield or simply put we are going to get relegated/ My team would be -

    GK Garret or Richards
    Def Nolan Raynes Stubbs Zooms
    DM Perry NG
    CM Walker Grant
    MF Ainley or Cooper (would probably sub one for other during the game)
    Forwards 2 from Dagnall Porter Bowery Reilly

    With that team we would be solid in the middle of the pitch and could start to play the Crewe WAy. Playing on the floor and moving the ball from defence to midfield and then link up with the forwards. Our formation could be 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 with the same players.

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    Read DA`s comments in todays Chronicle. Apparently he has to talk to the players to make sure they are all united,all for one another, and having a strong spirit in the dressing room. Plus all the usual. This was in the venerable Pete Morse column. His comments and views. WOW nothing. Well for me as a Alex supporter have to say I was not impressed with DAs comments.

    Would have had more respect for him if he had admitted that they have made mistakes, and that it was time for changes in the team as the current selection is obviously not working.

    Perhaps Pete was still wondering why our team in his opinion is inconsistent. Good news Pete, they are not inconsistent. They are consistently bleeding awful. In the Stevenage and Notts County games neither of them turned up that day.

    Or perhaps he was still wondering why our team cannot play for 90 minutes in one game. Hope for you there Pete. If Lincoln had not worked out how weak and unbalanced our midfield was and just ran straight through the middle in the second half, maybe we could have played for at least a couple of minutes in the second half.

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    The younger players are not just mature enough to cope with the emotional stresses that come their way. Artell is correct with this one. Didn't used to be like this, but that is how times have changed. Any manager of Crewe, now have their hands' tied. They have to play the kids, even though they are not ready. Artell has a thankless task on his hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexmick View Post
    The younger players are just not mature enough to cope with the emotional stresses that come their way. Artell is correct with this one. Didn't used to be like this, but that is how times have changed. Any manager of Crewe, now have their hands' tied. They have to play the kids, even though they are not ready. Artell has a thankless task on his hands.
    Repeated message. Error in the initial one.

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    Why do they have to play them even if they are not ready? If they are not ready and not mature all that results in is damaging their possible future prospects. For me there is no excuse for this absolute shambles and I find it diificult to see how anyone can say David Artell is doing a good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruocul View Post
    Why do they have to play them even if they are not ready? If they are not ready and not mature all that results in is damaging their possible future prospects. For me there is no excuse for this absolute shambles and I find it diificult to see how anyone can say David Artell is doing a good job.
    Its the weakness of any academy structure that you will have immature not fully developed very young men vs many seasoned professionals and in the lower leagues even more so. So the graduates have to be something very special eg Ashton and Powell to make a difference but the latter hasn't really achieved his potential...yet!

    My challenge to a Board spending a million pounds per season is this...

    Is there any player playing in L2 and non league at any one time as good or not better than what is coming up through the academy? ie 15-20 players in the average squad must be many hundreds to choose from? Some say ah but the academy is producing most of our players which would cost us if we didn't do that but that is the very same question? Could you sign 15-20 players from non league at a fraction of the cost of the academy? The obvious benefit that is not taken into account is we can see each player NOW and not in 10 years time. Would fit into the rough and tumble of league football easier and here's the thing? IF coaching is so significant as some make out then we can still develop some of them further and get fees for them...If the rot continues then we will have the most expensive academy in non league.

    Even in the PL and Championship you rarely get young boys playing as its just too tough for them and why so few make it from academies...Some do but not many but they can afford to spend millions we can't. I wonder what happens to all those academy players from the PL and CC as there must be hundreds and all have received as good if not better 'coaching' that we have given them?

    Finally, I would pay by results...no win, no pay or a minimum at least. If young men can't last 90 mins flat out once or twice a week, they are not receiving the right levels of fitness training...I think it was Dario though that said no to doing that, young bones and muscles and all that?

    The other question as raised is graduates not signing contracts...utterly disgusting and the fans should not allow them such an easy ride when playing...WTF do they think they are Pele or Eusabio?

    How come George Ray did the very same thing and hung on and on and us knowing he wasn't fit to play half the season? We shouldn't have been so eager unless we are a charity as well as a football club? You go for a job anywhere and say you can't start for 6 months but you want paying anyway? Its the delaying tactics by them that annoys me though and they end up signing when nobody else comes in. Jones can forget going anywhere in the Jan window at least and so can all the others...
    Last edited by MikeSB; 16-11-2017 at 08:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruocul View Post
    Why do they have to play them even if they are not ready? If they are not ready and not mature all that results in is damaging their possible future prospects. For me there is no excuse for this absolute shambles and I find it diificult to see how anyone can say David Artell is doing a good job.
    I said that they have to play the kids, simply because this is the Crewe way and there is no other choice, especially considering the large bulk of the money available that has been spent on the academy, meaning there are fewer funds left to bring in players from elsewhere. Obviously, in the past these youngsters matured more quickly and had a greater impact when introduced. I think that Artell is doing the best job he can under the present circumstances. He is an inexperienced manager who is still finding his feet. With the number of injuries we have to key players, lady luck has not been on his side. He kept us up last season and this did not look possible when he took over in January. Yes, he is still on trial, but deserves longer to prove himself. The last manager had three and a half seasons to get things right, when it all went pear shaped. I am not proposing that Artell is given that long to get things right. But to call for his head now is, in my opinion, premature.
    Last edited by alexmick; 16-11-2017 at 08:45 PM.

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