O/T 50 billion Euros to leave the EU

[Lol's mate]

"We know when it started - when Thatcher took us into the Single Market". Thatcher did many things but taking us into the single market was not one of them.
Denmark, Ireland and Britain joined the EEC in 1973, after Charles de Gaulle's resignation in 1969. Under the Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, there was a UK referendum on continued membership of the EEC in 1975. The electorate voted 'Yes' by 67.2% to 32.8% to stay in Europe.
If you are looking for blame then Heath, followed by Wilson, are in the frame.

[animallittle3]

Are you implying that Brexit will = less overseas workers undercutting UK workers? Are you sure??

As it stands, there is free movement of labour within the eu. So yes, at the moment it's easy for workers to come here and undercut from there.

Yet we have had complete control of immigration from the rest of the world all along and therfore our elected government could have made big inroads on their (failed) immigration targets over the years if they wanted to do this.

But immigration from the rest of the world has continued regardless.

Yet we seen to think that our government, in convincing is that they are the party to administrate Brexit will suddenly start exercising immigration controls to control cynical labour undercutting by companies?

But, crucially, why would they do it now when they have been able to control it all along by means of immigration from non eu countries but failed to do so?

And anyway, if I was an employer exercising my free market rights to maximise my profits (right Lasterman? ) by deliberately recruiting cheap overseas eu labour, but the government suddenly put restrictions on EU migration, what's to stop me recruiting non EU Labour?? Clearly this present government is committed to allowing me to do this, as it has put no controls on non eu migration despite having full ability to do so for years.

Right?

In short, immigration will continue on mass to service our non regulated capitalist market for as long as we vote for a party that is committed to deregulated capitalism.

We seem to be trying to put plasters on non identifiable wounds without knowing what is causing the wounds in the first place...

I understand what you say mate and you are probably bang on the money .

However if Brexit doesn't deliver less immigration many leave voters are going to be feeling very let down , especially if they are contributing towards an exit bill of £50bn , they are going to wonder what they voted for .


Immigration was a big ticket with regards to leaving the EU and if it doesn't deliver the Far Right groups are going to see their membership grow .

This is a very dangerous strategy to carry on regardless , unregulated capitalism may wish to revisit this one or sparks will fly .

[gm_gm]

I understand what you say mate and you are probably bang on the money .

However if Brexit doesn't deliver less immigration many leave voters are going to be feeling very let down , especially if they are contributing towards an exit bill of £50bn , they are going to wonder what they voted for .


Immigration was a big ticket with regards to leaving the EU and if it doesn't deliver the Far Right groups are going to see their membership grow .

This is a very dangerous strategy to carry on regardless , unregulated capitalism may wish to revisit this one or sparks will fly .

There’s no such thing as unregulated capitalism, the issue is the EU is the biggest capitalist construct ever created, its an ogliopoly that restricts a free market economy.

Socialists voting remain is like Turkeys voting for Xmas.

[Silly-miller]

"We know when it started - when Thatcher took us into the Single Market". Thatcher did many things but taking us into the single market was not one of them.
Denmark, Ireland and Britain joined the EEC in 1973, after Charles de Gaulle's resignation in 1969. Under the Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, there was a UK referendum on continued membership of the EEC in 1975. The electorate voted 'Yes' by 67.2% to 32.8% to stay in Europe.
If you are looking for blame then Heath, followed by Wilson, are in the frame.

Blink blink blink erm excuse me but we didn’t have free trade between eu back then it was on January first 1993 that it was put into effect.

Also the Euro was established in 1999 which also contributed to the Disaster that is the EU.

So whatever we signed or had a vote on in the 70s is far from what it is today if anything that agreement is null and void since it’s gone beyond the scope of the original agreement

[ragingpup]

There’s no such thing as unregulated capitalism, the issue is the EU is the biggest capitalist construct ever created, its an ogliopoly that restricts a free market economy.

Socialists voting remain is like Turkeys voting for Xmas.

I'm not a committed remainer by any means.

Be specific: how do you think leaving the EU will benefit the average working person? What's in it for us?

[one_a_day]

Life will go on. Businesses will still need to trade with each other, Spain will still want the Brits to holiday on the Costas every year, Germany will still want to flog their cars here and the pound will recover.

English will still be the common language meaning that we retain a dominant Banking sector.

The far right parties in mainland Europe will continue to grow while ever there is uncontrolled migration. The National Front in France and the AFD in Germany have had their best ever showing and will eventually force the EU to reform.

I still cannot understand why you can’t have free trade without the need of freedom of movement of people. But I’m just a simple lad from Rovrum.

[WanChaiMiller]

"We know when it started - when Thatcher took us into the Single Market". Thatcher did many things but taking us into the single market was not one of them.
Denmark, Ireland and Britain joined the EEC in 1973, after Charles de Gaulle's resignation in 1969. Under the Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, there was a UK referendum on continued membership of the EEC in 1975. The electorate voted 'Yes' by 67.2% to 32.8% to stay in Europe.
If you are looking for blame then Heath, followed by Wilson, are in the frame.

Im not looking to blame anyone. Just stating the fact that Thatcher signed us up to the Single European Act in 1986. The main objective of the act was to create the Single Market that came into effect in 1992.

[gm_gm]

I'm not a committed remainer by any means.

Be specific: how do you think leaving the EU will benefit the average working person? What's in it for us?

Being in the EU almost forces companies to trade with each other, there’s paper written on this (nothing to do with Brexit) in respect trading trends within an ogliopoly. Difficult to answer your question quickly as it would involve too much time, plus I can’t really be arsed, but mainly goods we import will be cheaper. We are paying way over the odds for basics you need to live on, which is contrived by the EU to keep pricing higher.

Later I’ll explain more plus why there is no cliff edge

[ragingpup]

Being in the EU almost forces companies to trade with each other, there’s paper written on this (nothing to do with Brexit) in respect trading trends within an ogliopoly. Difficult to answer your question quickly as it would involve too much time, plus I can’t really be arsed, but mainly goods we import will be cheaper. We are paying way over the odds for basics you need to live on, which is contrived by the EU to keep pricing higher.

Later I’ll explain more plus why there is no cliff edge

Interesting. Please could you give some examples of a RANGE of standard goods (food, clothing etc) that we are currently 'forced' to import at a higher price than they would otherwise be and the mechanics of how we will be able to import/produce them cheaper? How will this specifically work and what sources can you produce that could convince a 'floating voter' like me that this is a financially viable move, particularly with the 50+ billion severance that we have to pay + likely import duties/taxes on goods.

I would just ask that you don't quote potential deals that we can cut with the 'sweat shop' industries that exist in the world. I'll go with a good financial argument on the basis of price but not at the expense of human/environmental rights. I want to purchase equivalent quality goods produced in equivalent quality environments from wherever they are imported.

Like I said, I'm there to be convinced by a good argument backed up with solid data. These seem quite thin on the ground at the moment so you're my big hope in this!

[caytonmiller]

The 50 billion is like the 350 million in the side of busses
The report says we could pay up to 50 billion. There's no gt figure yet.
It looks like we were committed to paying 20 billion over the next few years if we had stopped in Europe. And may has already committed saying we will pay our dues.
Farage was enraged after EU said 20 billion is not enough
I kinda see his point