OT: You tell 'em, Nigel

[Elite_Pie]

Guy Verhofstadt has hailed last night's vote as...........




'a good day for democracy'.

An increase in the chance of ignoring the result of a democratic vote is, er, 'a good day for democracy'.

Jesus wept.

I still think there is very little chance the result of the vote will be ignored. I'm sure we will exit the EU, but how far do you take democracy? If you really want a democratic interpretation of a 52/48 vote then surely you have to support a very soft Brexit. How many from either side would go for that option?

[seriouspie]

I'm finding on the majority of construction projects I'm involved in currently is that the principal contractors commercial team are very easy to work with and hardly ever oppose variation costs etc . However once the project is 80-90% complete , the commercial team manager changes and everything that was agreed is now open to renegotiation putting pressure on the sub contractor. I think this is a case with these negotiations lets just agree to this and that in principal as we need to progress the project , the real hard negotiations start at the final account meeting once the project is near completion.

It always was the case though piegonk including the OEM. In my day (heavy construction machinery) I'd get to preferred bidder status after submitting a budget price and 'on site' demo's, then it was usual prior to orders being placed for a final discussion and the adding of extras, recommended spares etc. When this was agreed in principle a final detailed quote was submitted along with delivery times and payment terms. In every case for projects over £500,000 it was as you say. In fact the original budget price was often different to the final bid. In the Brexit case where billions are involved, it is impossible to firm up on anything at the moment until every aspect has been discussed. At this moment these have not and in my opinion politicians on both sides are simply trying to score political points on what might happen. I am a Tory but feel both TM and Davies struggle to put this point to the voters. It is very easy for the opposition to sneer and pick fault with everything, although I do believe Parliament should be given a final vote. How nice it would be for Corbyn and his crew to occasionally stop carping and welcome certain principles agreed.

[JoePass]

I still think there is very little chance the result of the vote will be ignored. I'm sure we will exit the EU, but how far do you take democracy? If you really want a democratic interpretation of a 52/48 vote then surely you have to support a very soft Brexit. How many from either side would go for that option?

Not me, as for Sourberry, give her the 30 pieces of silver. Despicable woman and to think I voted for her urghhhh

[sidders]

This is the mess a country gets in when it doesn't establish proper guidelines for referenda. Making such a sweeping constitutional change usually requires a decent majority - say two-thirds - in order for it to be re-enacted.
History has shown that a simple majority, when it is expressed so narrowly, results in bitter in-fighting for years to come - which is what we now have.
It is only right that the final agreement is subject to Parliament's scrutiny however that poisonous piece of toilet paper called the Daily Mail interprets it.

[JoePass]

This is the mess a country gets in when it doesn't establish proper guidelines for referenda. Making such a sweeping constitutional change usually requires a decent majority - say two-thirds - in order for it to be re-enacted.
History has shown that a simple majority, when it is expressed so narrowly, results in bitter in-fighting for years to come - which is what we now have.
It is only right that the final agreement is subject to Parliament's scrutiny however that poisonous piece of toilet paper called the Daily Mail interprets it.

The people who voted out, the majority, they will remember the Judas betrayers, they will be demolished at the next election. We voted out, don't these thick gits get this . They will soon. Any way, please explain the Marxists Brexit policy, anyone from 8 will do for starters .

[dam617]

I still think there is very little chance the result of the vote will be ignored. I'm sure we will exit the EU, but how far do you take democracy? If you really want a democratic interpretation of a 52/48 vote then surely you have to support a very soft Brexit. How many from either side would go for that option?

Aw come on, no one believes that 'soft' Brexit is anything but 'remain' - the referendum has been a complete waste of time and money.
An expensive way of getting rid of Cameron and Gideon (how are THEY getting on?)
All Hail King Juncker and the Soubry Quislings 😋

[Elite_Pie]

The people who voted out, the majority, they will remember the Judas betrayers, they will be demolished at the next election. We voted out, don't these thick gits get this . They will soon.

So why at the last election, where Anna Soubry's pro-remain views were passionate and well known, did you place your 'X' against her name? Could you be one of the "thick gits" you mention?

[JoePass]

So why at the last election, where Anna Soubry's pro-remain views were passionate and well known, did you place your 'X' against her name? Could you be one of the "thick gits" you mention?

Scum of the earth.


You anti British remoaners will never win, the country has spoken, we will leave, the desperate EU loving traitors will be wiped out. We move on to a new life away from unelected assholes.

[seriouspie]

I still think there is very little chance the result of the vote will be ignored. I'm sure we will exit the EU, but how far do you take democracy? If you really want a democratic interpretation of a 52/48 vote then surely you have to support a very soft Brexit. How many from either side would go for that option?

In reply EP and heeding your past statement that I have very little grasp of politics.

This is me: I voted out for three things that irrespective of " The things we weren't told before the vote" were mentioned.

(1) To regain the rights to UK law being supreme in Britain.

(2) To regain full control of our borders

(3) Immigration: Just for us to have a control (not a banning) of future immigrants

It was made very clear we would have to leave the single market and customs union, indeed in the pamphlet sent out by Cameron before the vote to every household it was in black and white ......... so all this "we want to remain as we weren't told" is bollox - to use one of your adjectives. Was there any outcry concerning the wording on the ballot papers - No. Firstly it would have been impossible to put all this in the pamphlets and even if the matter had been discussed in Parliament before the vote, it would have been beyond the understanding of most of us what it meant..... and then it could only have been conjecture.

If a so called hard Brexit means leaving the single market and customs union, so be it, that's what we already knew although I personally would like a softer line where hopefully both sides benefit.

I can see 'fors' and 'againsts' on both sides of the argument. As said before, I think Davies is a reasonable man but is the wrong man for this job (so far anyway). I would agree in general what you say but the referendum was not held on any sort of percentage majority and to repeat myself, nobody even quibbled this fact, we all considered this the democratic way.

We know your Socialist views, you are entitled to them, that is a democracy. I believe, not think we will leave the EU and my reasons are very simple as listed above.

[sidders]

The people who voted out, the majority, they will remember the Judas betrayers, they will be demolished at the next election. We voted out, don't these thick gits get this . They will soon. Any way, please explain the Marxists Brexit policy, anyone from 8 will do for starters .

The total illogicality of your views is breathtaking. Someone says to you 'Your driving is ill-mannered and incompetent". You say "But what about the bloke next door, his is even worse!"
But that neither excuses yours or makes it any better.
A thousand times Elite challenges you and every time, instead of defending your own argument, you cite how bad the other guy is.