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    Jon Forte

    What a frustrating player Jon Forte is!

    In the last home game, he came on as sub and worked his backside off for 20 minutes, despite picking up a knock, and undoubtedly played a significant part in getting us back from 3-0 down.

    Today, he earns his first-team start on the back of that performance and shows nowhere near the same level of work rate, rarely running the channels and generally just waiting for the ball to come to him. His body language got worse as the game went on, and the only person in the ground who could have been surprised when he was substituted was him. Young Callum then came on and did everything Forte hadn't.

    The life of a striker is that you'll get games when the ball never drops for you or you're not getting the right service, so you might not score that day, but you can still show so much aggression and work so hard that the manager will keep you on the pitch if only to annoy hell out of the opposition defenders.

    I hate hearing the old "He's not that sort of player" excuse. There should be no other "sort" of player. As far as I'm concerned, you can't control the amount of natural talent and pace you're blessed with, but there isn't a footballer anywhere at any level who is not capable of showing hard work, aggression and sheer desire. These attributes do not require God-given talent, and there are a fair few otherwise limited players who have reached even the Premier League level through sheer week-in, week out application. It's all about how much you want it.

    Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are blessed with phenomenal talent, but they've got the desire and hunger to go with it, which is why they are absolute world class.
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    Maybe he isn't fully fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    What a frustrating player Jon Forte is!

    In the last home game, he came on as sub and worked his backside off for 20 minutes, despite picking up a knock, and undoubtedly played a significant part in getting us back from 3-0 down.

    Today, he earns his first-team start on the back of that performance and shows nowhere near the same level of work rate, rarely running the channels and generally just waiting for the ball to come to him. His body language got worse as the game went on, and the only person in the ground who could have been surprised when he was substituted was him. Young Callum then came on and did everything Forte hadn't.

    The life of a striker is that you'll get games when the ball never drops for you or you're not getting the right service, so you might not score that day, but you can still show so much aggression and work so hard that the manager will keep you on the pitch if only to annoy hell out of the opposition defenders.

    I hate hearing the old "He's not that sort of player" excuse. There should be no other "sort" of player. As far as I'm concerned, you can't control the amount of natural talent and pace you're blessed with, but there isn't a footballer anywhere at any level who is not capable of showing hard work, aggression and sheer desire. These attributes do not require God-given talent, and there are a fair few otherwise limited players who have reached even the Premier League level through sheer week-in, week out application. It's all about how much you want it.

    Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are blessed with phenomenal talent, but they've got the desire and hunger to go with it, which is why they are absolute world class.


    Very good post and spot on, I agree with every word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpete View Post
    Maybe he isn't fully fit
    Possibly, but he didn't look injured when he came off. And besides, this isn't the first time the above criticisms could be applied to him. He has become known as a player who only seems to produce his best coming off the bench, and he has drifted from one club to another throughout his career. I'm afraid the lower leagues are littered with these types of player, they show enough ability to persuade a club to sign them, but then ultimately don't show enough to be retained. Forte should be top class for this level, but I'm not sure he wants it enough.

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    Yeah, disappointed with him today, donít know whether heís fully fit, but he kept making his runs after the ball had been played rather than anticipating anything.

    Only denied a goal by a great save though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    Yeah, disappointed with him today, don’t know whether he’s fully fit, but he kept making his runs after the ball had been played rather than anticipating anything.

    Only denied a goal by a great save though.
    Absolutely! The goal scoring instincts are there and he's capable of nicking a few even without pushing himself, but it just re-emphasises how good he could be if he had the sort of firey determination and work rate someone like (e.g.) Luke Rodgers used to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    What a frustrating player Jon Forte is!

    In the last home game, he came on as sub and worked his backside off for 20 minutes, despite picking up a knock, and undoubtedly played a significant part in getting us back from 3-0 down.

    Today, he earns his first-team start on the back of that performance and shows nowhere near the same level of work rate, rarely running the channels and generally just waiting for the ball to come to him. His body language got worse as the game went on, and the only person in the ground who could have been surprised when he was substituted was him. Young Callum then came on and did everything Forte hadn't.

    The life of a striker is that you'll get games when the ball never drops for you or you're not getting the right service, so you might not score that day, but you can still show so much aggression and work so hard that the manager will keep you on the pitch if only to annoy hell out of the opposition defenders.

    I hate hearing the old "He's not that sort of player" excuse. There should be no other "sort" of player. As far as I'm concerned, you can't control the amount of natural talent and pace you're blessed with, but there isn't a footballer anywhere at any level who is not capable of showing hard work, aggression and sheer desire. These attributes do not require God-given talent, and there are a fair few otherwise limited players who have reached even the Premier League level through sheer week-in, week out application. It's all about how much you want it.

    Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are blessed with phenomenal talent, but they've got the desire and hunger to go with it, which is why they are absolute world class.
    And thatís why Stead will get the nod over Forte every day of the week, the link up play and work rate are second to none, we wouldnít be anywhere near we are in the league without him. Iím guessing he must have started every game when available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    What a frustrating player Jon Forte is!

    In the last home game, he came on as sub and worked his backside off for 20 minutes, despite picking up a knock, and undoubtedly played a significant part in getting us back from 3-0 down.

    Today, he earns his first-team start on the back of that performance and shows nowhere near the same level of work rate, rarely running the channels and generally just waiting for the ball to come to him. His body language got worse as the game went on, and the only person in the ground who could have been surprised when he was substituted was him. Young Callum then came on and did everything Forte hadn't.

    The life of a striker is that you'll get games when the ball never drops for you or you're not getting the right service, so you might not score that day, but you can still show so much aggression and work so hard that the manager will keep you on the pitch if only to annoy hell out of the opposition defenders.

    I hate hearing the old "He's not that sort of player" excuse. There should be no other "sort" of player. As far as I'm concerned, you can't control the amount of natural talent and pace you're blessed with, but there isn't a footballer anywhere at any level who is not capable of showing hard work, aggression and sheer desire. These attributes do not require God-given talent, and there are a fair few otherwise limited players who have reached even the Premier League level through sheer week-in, week out application. It's all about how much you want it.

    Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are blessed with phenomenal talent, but they've got the desire and hunger to go with it, which is why they are absolute world class.
    Their keeper made a cracking save from Forte in the first half . " Young Callum" came on and ran his heart out but never looked like scoring. Had a free header and missed and to be honest it was harder to miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keldsyke View Post
    And that’s why Stead will get the nod over Forte every day of the week, the link up play and work rate are second to none, we wouldn’t be anywhere near we are in the league without him. I’m guessing he must have started every game when available?
    Yes, that's true. Being honest, I think Jon Stead is fading force who probably doesn't have a future with us beyond this season, but the point you make is right, you can never fault him for work rate and effort, and that's why Nolan trusts him more than Forte and others. I thought Stead actually did a proper target man's job today, where in other games he has played too much for cheap free kicks instead of genuinely trying to win the header or bring the ball down. At least when he did go down easily today, it was in the right place to win a penalty! And he took it really well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    Possibly, but he didn't look injured when he came off. And besides, this isn't the first time the above criticisms could be applied to him. He has become known as a player who only seems to produce his best coming off the bench, and he has drifted from one club to another throughout his career. I'm afraid the lower leagues are littered with these types of player, they show enough ability to persuade a club to sign them, but then ultimately don't show enough to be retained. Forte should be top class for this level, but I'm not sure he wants it enough.
    Don't forget Notts are a lower league club,maybe thats why we have him at present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navypie View Post
    Their keeper made a cracking save from Forte in the first half . " Young Callum" came on and ran his heart out but never looked like scoring. Had a free header and missed and to be honest it was harder to miss.
    Yes, you make my point for me. Forte is the natural finisher, and a much more experienced player, but that's why we should expect more of an all-round contribution from him than we get. You expect a kid to play the super-sub role. You expect a 30-year old striker with bags of experience to be one of the leaders of the team, not to contribute in flashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    Yes, you make my point for me. Forte is the natural finisher, and a much more experienced player, but that's why we should expect more of an all-round contribution from him than we get. You expect a kid to play the super-sub role. You expect a 30-year old striker with bags of experience to be one of the leaders of the team, not to contribute in flashes.
    I don't think anyone can describe Forte as a " natural finisher " and from what I have seen of Saunders , he doesn't look to have inherited his dad's talent.He wouldn't be at Notts if he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    Yes, you make my point for me. Forte is the natural finisher, and a much more experienced player, but that's why we should expect more of an all-round contribution from him than we get. You expect a kid to play the super-sub role. You expect a 30-year old striker with bags of experience to be one of the leaders of the team, not to contribute in flashes.
    This talk of "kids" when anyone speaks about Hodge and Saunders puzzles me as they're 21 and 22 years old. Older than Yates and just a year younger than Grant. Basically not good enough and hopefully released when possible as they really add nothing to the team. I thought Forte was unlucky to be pulled off again today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thordardaughter View Post
    This talk of "kids" when anyone speaks about Hodge and Saunders puzzles me as they're 21 and 22 years old. Older than Yates and just a year younger than Grant. Basically not good enough and hopefully released when possible as they really add nothing to the team. I thought Forte was unlucky to be pulled off again today.
    Although I find it hard to visualise the thought of being 'pulled off' as unlucky (I am working from memory here), I was hoping it was Forte who was the nominated one after the 4th official number confusion said it was Brisley. Forte is a frustrating player, there is some ability there but his half-arsed attitude (like frequently drifting offside when the Vale offside trap was there to be exploited) suggests he's not the sort of player Nolan will persevere with. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes way for the 'Marquee' signing in the transfer window.

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    Forte a natural finisher haha, someone's not recovered from New Years Eve yet obviously

    He's cr*p, he'll get a couple of goals every now and then but he's just not good enough to start every week, I would imagine we will be his last league club.

    When he doesn't get the nod in the last game people will probably still moan that he's not playing as he seems to be another one of those players that has an unwarranted fan club for his past spells at Notts or his history in general, see Shaun Harrad, Scott Loach and probably a few others. I imagine there will be fans out there upset Curtis Thompson isn't playing while we sit second in the division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thordardaughter View Post
    This talk of "kids" when anyone speaks about Hodge and Saunders puzzles me as they're 21 and 22 years old. Older than Yates and just a year younger than Grant. Basically not good enough and hopefully released when possible as they really add nothing to the team. I thought Forte was unlucky to be pulled off again today.
    Saunderses missed header wasn't as easy as some might think, coming down on top of his head and with his back to the goal, not easy. I thought he looked rather a handful for their defender. He'll improve with more game time. Much as I like Forte I can't see him lasting for another season with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaxtonLad View Post
    Saunderses missed header wasn't as easy as some might think, coming down on top of his head and with his back to the goal, not easy. I thought he looked rather a handful for their defender. He'll improve with more game time. Much as I like Forte I can't see him lasting for another season with us.
    Thanks for clearing that up for me Laxton , coming down on the top of his head must have been hard , maybe we could have stopped the game until it landed on his forehead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navypie View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up for me Laxton , coming down on the top of his head must have been hard , maybe we could have stopped the game until it landed on his forehead.
    That's all right navypie, anything to help clear things up for you. If you think stopping the game would help, then maybe we could try it, I'm sure any player who misses what some might see as an easy chance would really go for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    Yeah, disappointed with him today, don’t know whether he’s fully fit, but he kept making his runs after the ball had been played rather than anticipating anything.

    Only denied a goal by a great save though.
    He would have been flagged offside if he had mad them runs. The linesman was sticking his flag up every time we passed the ball forward.....Also, he was the only one offering any sort of goal threat. Some of the balls to him were either over hit, or went to one their players.. You are only as good as the service you get....

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    Quote Originally Posted by durhampie View Post
    He would have been flagged offside if he had mad them runs. The linesman was sticking his flag up every time we passed the ball forward.....Also, he was the only one offering any sort of goal threat. Some of the balls to him were either over hit, or went to one their players.. You are only as good as the service you get....
    Forte was flagged offside a few times simply because the Vale defence moved forward and Forte was too lazy to look across the line and do likewise. Also, what goal threat did Forte offer today? He poked one ten yards wide when their keeper rashly committed himself early, the other chances he had bounced off his boot with less power than I could manage. Any who think Forte is the answer to our lack of strength in the striking department are probably the same as those who thought Aborah was a world-beater.

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