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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayamonteblade View Post
    Agree 100% Chips - nobody wants the Blades to go up more than me, but if we don't this season, it really isn't the end of the world. Another season in the Championship continuing to strengthen will do us more good in the long term. Either result is a positive IMHO. As long as we keep Tufty!
    But as Wednesday and even ourselves in past have found out, building up and just missing out doesn’t guarantee eventual promotion Aya. There’s nothing to say that next season we’ll be better, this might be our best chance of going up in a decade because of the money clubs coming down from the Premier League and the best we can do is hold our own our struggle to stay in the division.

    We’ve still got massive momentum and I don’t think we should underestimate how far it can take us.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    I think you misunderstood. I'm talking about the foundations in the squad. Our first 11, with Wilders drive and and all that, got us top of the league. Take four or five out of that, and we've been in relegation form ever since.
    If literally any other team in this league lost four or five of their first eleven I'm sure they'd struggle too. That's what the transfer market is for.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Chips1889 View Post
    But, the foundations for us to get promotion this year are NOT there. We've lost 10 so far and with 20 games left we can't get auto IMO.

    The day CW says the board didn't back him is the day I agree with the 'sh*t of bust' brigade.

    I still say the best window to buy is in the summer.......we need to progress at the right pace in this league and build a team capable of going up and then staying up.
    I’m not sure why you just keep on focusing on auto Chippy, the main push is to establish ourselves in the play offs first and see what happens, it’s wide open mate. Huddersfield lost 15 games and got promoted and Leeds and Middlesbrough have lost 9 games this season, we’re not on our own. Are you saying that we’re not already as good as them or Villa, Bristol and Cardif despite what our own eyes have seen?

  4. #64
    Aya's last sentence " As long as we keep Tufty" is very pertinent to the issue.

    He's shown he's ambitious, talented with a great desire to succeed, to progress, to develop, to build.

    He's also shown he's a realist in his transfer dealings, has acumen, knowledge and a good eye for a bargain/developing talent.

    I don't think that, unlike some on here, he's the sort of person not to have a bloody good go when the opportunity presents itself.

    He will have realistic expectations about what/who he needs.

    Not to back him could leave Aya's wishes in tatters.

    End this small time mentality and HAVE A GO.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Carpe_diem View Post
    If literally any other team in this league lost four or five of their first eleven I'm sure they'd struggle too. That's what the transfer market is for.
    Well, this isn't theoretical. We HAVE lost four or five or our influential first teamers, and as far as I see it HAS affected us very badly. Other teams either haven't got the problem, or are able to cope much better. One win in nine says we can't ignore recent form and just assume that if we carry on regardless with a few new ones, that it's bound to all turn out wonderfully. Probably another four/five defeats and play-offs will be out of reach, imo.

    So heres the question. How many do we really need to bring in now, and I'll ask the question again (in the hope that someone might answer...) who have we ever bought in a January transfer window who proved to be influential for our season.

  6. #66
    minimum of 3 to have a chance of top 6

  7. #67
    I genuinely think there’s a fear of promotion in some Blades and that I can fully understand. The Premier League and the way that Sky portrays it seems a million miles away from what our club is all about right now.

    But every club, manager, coach and player in football has to strive for the very top, that’s what the league system is all about, and if a club is simply happy to tread water and play the ‘suck it and see’ card, it risks losing its best players, manager and worst of all a fan base that because of Wilder and Knill has grown by nearly 30% and will keep on growing if we continue to show a little bit ambition even if we don’t get promoted.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by tomytony View Post
    Aya's last sentence " As long as we keep Tufty" is very pertinent to the issue.

    He's shown he's ambitious, talented with a great desire to succeed, to progress, to develop, to build.

    He's also shown he's a realist in his transfer dealings, has acumen, knowledge and a good eye for a bargain/developing talent.

    I don't think that, unlike some on here, he's the sort of person not to have a bloody good go when the opportunity presents itself.

    He will have realistic expectations about what/who he needs.

    Not to back him could leave Aya's wishes in tatters.



    End this small time mentality and HAVE A GO.
    If the approaches muted on here by some are replicated in the boardroom the irony is it will achieve the one outcome they want least,the departure of Wilder.
    I quote him word for word.

    " I DON'T DO CONSOLIDATION"

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    Well, this isn't theoretical. We HAVE lost four or five or our influential first teamers, and as far as I see it HAS affected us very badly. Other teams either haven't got the problem, or are able to cope much better. One win in nine says we can't ignore recent form and just assume that if we carry on regardless with a few new ones, that it's bound to all turn out wonderfully. Probably another four/five defeats and play-offs will be out of reach, imo.

    So heres the question. How many do we really need to bring in now, and I'll ask the question again (in the hope that someone might answer...) who have we ever bought in a January transfer window who proved to be influential for our season.
    Yes, exactly. It has, so we need to do something about that. What's your suggestion, that we just write the season off because we've lost some players? That's utterly, utterly defeatist.

    I don't know how many we need to bring in now. That's the job of the manager to decide, and the job of the board to back him.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Carpe_diem View Post
    Yes, exactly. It has, so we need to do something about that. What's your suggestion, that we just write the season off because we've lost some players? That's utterly, utterly defeatist.

    I don't know how many we need to bring in now. That's the job of the manager to decide, and the job of the board to back him.
    Life in my humble experience is all about knowing which battles to fight, when to go all in and when to bide your time, but each to his own. Sometimes the turn of the card is kind to you, often it isn't. Not being defeatest, just my opinion. (and no-one has answered the 'who have we bought in the JTW...etc' question yet...)

    Look, I think we're all just spinning around now, kind of arguing for the same thing from two different angles. We all agree that we need some new players and that we hope that will improve our current form and get us into the top six by the final game. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with any of that. Its really just a question of what that means, how much risk it involves, how much cash that involves and having seen the outcome, what interprettation of the ambition of the club and/or manager we want to put on it, (and how angry we are going to be if it doesn't meet our arbitarily set expectations...).

    Time to move on. I'll only be commenting on actual transfers for the rest of the JTW.
    Last edited by FatherKnowsBest; 03-01-2018 at 11:20 AM.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by seanbeanstattoo View Post
    If the approaches muted on here by some are replicated in the boardroom the irony is it will achieve the one outcome they want least,the departure of Wilder.
    I quote him word for word.

    " I DON'T DO CONSOLIDATION"
    Let's hope the board heard him.

    Can't wait for the various 'interpretations' of what he really meant.

  12. #72
    Wilder will not waste the clubs money

    That doesn't mean he doesn't want any
    It doesn't mean that eventually he doesn't want a lot

    It just means he won't waste it

    You can buy a good 10 million pound player
    And you can buy a bad 10 million pound player just as easily as you can buy a bad 50,000 player

    But Wilder won't waste the clubs money

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlade View Post
    Wilder will not waste the clubs money

    That doesn't mean he doesn't want any
    It doesn't mean that eventually he doesn't want a lot

    It just means he won't waste it

    You can buy a good 10 million pound player
    And you can buy a bad 10 million pound player just as easily as you can buy a bad 50,000 player

    But Wilder won't waste the clubs money
    If the board don't appreciate that JJ then I doubt there will ever be a manager that they do trust.

    They also run the risk of frustrating one of the very few good 'uns we have had.

    As SBT quotes 'he doesn't do consolidation' so, surely, they will back him to the tune of whatever he deems is needed?

    28 days and we will know whether they've dropped a big 'un or supported a man who has proved he has the credentials to take us further forward.

  14. #74
    I'm sure King Kev&Prince will give the MESSIAH as much cash as they can for this window,but it'll not be enuff to suit some of our fans.UTCB

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    Life in my humble experience is all about knowing which battles to fight, when to go all in and when to bide your time, but each to his own. Sometimes the turn of the card is kind to you, often it isn't. Not being defeatest, just my opinion. (and no-one has answered the 'who have we bought in the JTW...etc' question yet...)

    Look, I think we're all just spinning around now, kind of arguing for the same thing from two different angles. We all agree that we need some new players and that we hope that will improve our current form and get us into the top six by the final game. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with any of that. Its really just a question of what that means, how much risk it involves, how much cash that involves and having seen the outcome, what interprettation of the ambition of the club and/or manager we want to put on it, (and how angry we are going to be if it doesn't meet our arbitarily set expectations...).

    Time to move on. I'll only be commenting on actual transfers for the rest of the JTW.
    Or you could encourage Wilder to field a strong team to ensure 3 points at Ipswich.
    You know,knowing best and all.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by seanbeanstattoo View Post
    Or you could encourage Wilder to field a strong team to ensure 3 points at Ipswich.
    You know,knowing best and all.
    Yes, that was funny. I just made a simple mistake. It makes you human, you know. Maybe you should give it a try.

    UTB!

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    and no-one has answered the 'who have we bought in the JTW...etc' question yet...
    Jamie Murphy? Ade Akinbiyi? Matt Kilgallon?

    In any case, let me turn the question around: when was the last time we had a manager who we'd trust to buy decent players in the JTW?

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Carpe_diem View Post
    Jamie Murphy? Ade Akinbiyi? Matt Kilgallon?

    In any case, let me turn the question around: when was the last time we had a manager who we'd trust to buy decent players in the JTW?
    Three very good players, but over the last 12 years, or is it 13, if memory serves me. Not the greatest advert for the JTW...

    I trust CW implicitly, and I think the board do too. This has never been about 'don't give him money'. He will be given money. Its about the supporters who would argue the toss that if he should be given 3m, and if it turns out that he has been given 3m, then he should have been given 5m or 8m or some random figure. No-one, including yourself has told me what 'backed' means in terms of money or players. I'm guessing Wilder has been told how much is in the pot, and to spend it wisely, which he will do, and thats as much as we can all hope for. You know we got Clarke for 150k and Donaldson for a song, so it didn't need huge money, just careful acquisitions. Why this all has to become yet another 'test' for the Board to prove or disprove something, I really don't know. You'll have to find the answer in your head.

    Now I really am done on this subject. Just awaiting for the transfer announcements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    Three very good players, but over the last 12 years, or is it 13, if memory serves me. Not the greatest advert for the JTW...

    I trust CW implicitly, and I think the board do too. This has never been about 'don't give him money'. He will be given money. Its about the supporters who would argue the toss that if he should be given 3m, and if it turns out that he has been given 3m, then he should have been given 5m or 8m or some random figure. No-one, including yourself has told me what 'backed' means in terms of money or players. I'm guessing Wilder has been told how much is in the pot, and to spend it wisely, which he will do, and thats as much as we can all hope for. You know we got Clarke for 150k and Donaldson for a song, so it didn't need huge money, just careful acquisitions. Why this all has to become yet another 'test' for the Board to prove or disprove something, I really don't know. You'll have to find the answer in your head.

    Now I really am done on this subject. Just awaiting for the transfer announcements.
    Liked

  20. #80
    Discussion about the actual figure is irrelevant.

    The only relevant figure to be spent is whatever CW wants.

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