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  1. #21
    At least Everton are an honourable club letting Rowell stop at florist .I'm sure florist would be shouting foul if he was recalled and the red rag would be giving we have Everton hats free we every edition .Shame on florist !

  2. #22
    Good point nice and clean..maybe KN should ask Big Sam to give them a taste of there own medicine.😂😂😂😂

  3. #23
    [QUOTE=sidders;38758877
    Like the man said higher up this fred - that's business. It also shows the importance of having legally witnessed paperwork as to the details of any deal. If Yates & Grant were only at Meadow Lane on the say so of Warburton I would be amazed and it would speak out loud about the way Forest is run as a club.
    It's done. Let's learn from the lesson, make a more reliable loan to fill in the gaps and move on.[/QUOTE]

    What bit of the loan system don't you understand Sidders? I'm sure folk here will be glad to fill in the gaps.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTheMagpieFlyingH View Post
    Contractually binding loans? Impossible! You've got a transfer window..any injuries or long term suspensions before or after..the parent clubs only option then is to recall loans.

    Not the case here but that's the reason it's not done that way.
    'Contract' is your word, not mine. If money is changing hands in order to facilitate a loan then surely legalities must be involved somewhere along the line, (for example, an agreement that a minimum time will be given before a loan is recalled).

  5. #25
    I think there will be something in writing and AH may get a part refund..if money was exchanged.

    The point is..100% commitment to a loan for a set period with no chance of a u turn would kill the loan market.

  6. #26
    At the end of the day if Forest need to buy new players and they can get £500k for Grant then I don't see the problem.

    Some are getting mad because we sit in second place i'm sure we are aware the chances of Yates & Grant going are high so hopefully we have a few players lined up which going by Fletcher and Hardy tweets seems likely.

    They have done us a favour and we have done them a favour its that simple....If Forest have a few more gems we should take them if possible its not about us and them its what suits US that matters.

  7. #27
    Surely Grant himself has a say in this, Bradford? for gods sake.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTheMagpieFlyingH View Post
    I think there will be something in writing and AH may get a part refund..if money was exchanged.

    The point is..100% commitment to a loan for a set period with no chance of a u turn would kill the loan market.
    You see loans with no recall clauses put in with bigger clubs though, Chelsea have do it regulardly with Crespo, Salah, Cuadrado & Veron all going to Italy for longer than a season and usually with no recall clauses in the deal. I think Thibaut Courtois' loan deal probably didn't have a recall clause in it either otherwise Chelsea probably would have used it to prevent him playing against them that time in the Champions League when UEFA had to get involved.

    I'd imagine it's whenever there is a "Loan fee" you can stipulate that there is no possibility to recall the player as you're effectively buying the player for that set length of time.


    We should be thankful this is happening early in the window as if it happened on deadline day or something we'd be ****ed.

  9. #29
    It’s different with the likes of Chelsea. They use the loan system as part of there business model. They signed Bamford knowing almost certainly he wouldn’t play for Chelsea. They loan him out at a fee and profit from it.

  10. #30
    It's light years away from our situation..millions are exchanged at that level for that privilege..as well as lender clubs having squads of 50+ internationals to absorb any eventuality.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    All that is true. However the key thing here for me is putting into writing that they were staying for the season. They’re claiming that it was Warburton who put that in writing and so they’re no longer bound by it. May or may not be true. And 500 grand for Grant is decent money.

    But it’s a bit like a winning a bet with a mate. Does he have any legal obligation to honour it? Absolutely not. Would you think he was a bellend and probably not trust his word ever again if he didn’t? Of course.
    'They’re claiming that it was Warburton who put that in writing and so they’re no longer bound by it'.

    Where's that from?

  12. #32
    Why all the F'ing and blinding? Those that shall not be mentioned are in all probability doing a bit of business, not spiting us. L1 experience for Yates and £500k (?) for Grant. They aren't a charity and a new regime over there sweeps the board clean. Recalls would have been written in the initial loan agreement so it shouldn't have been a surprise.
    Just thanks to the both of them, good luck to the both of them, and come on AH, dig deep and don't let this set us back. We have a great opportunity to get promotion let's not stumble for the sake of a few quid ( )

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by legs77 View Post
    They have done us a favour and we have done them a favour its that simple....If Forest have a few more gems we should take them if possible its not about us and them its what suits US that matters.
    How have they done us a favour? In December, Alan Hardy stated he had it in writing from Forest that Yates and Grant would stay for the rest of the season. Reneging on a deal is not doing someone a favour.

    Alan Hardy
    ‏Verified account @Bigalanh5
    3 Dec 2017

    They could but they won’t be. We’d like to thank Forest for their confirmation in writing that both Yates & Grant are with us for the whole season 👏👏👏

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    How have they done us a favour? In December, Alan Hardy stated he had it in writing from Forest that Yates and Grant would stay for the rest of the season. Reneging on a deal is not doing someone a favour.

    Alan Hardy
    ‏Verified account @Bigalanh5
    3 Dec 2017

    They could but they won’t be. We’d like to thank Forest for their confirmation in writing that both Yates & Grant are with us for the whole season 👏👏👏
    By loaning us the players in the first place as we would not have been able to sign them on a full time deal.

    Well i'm not getting into what may or may not have been agreed its pretty obvious it wasn't a water tight deal.

    I can see what you mean if you shake on a deal and say they are here for the season then that should be the case but thats not how the world is today its a very selfish place.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by legs77 View Post
    By loaning us the players in the first place as we would not have been able to sign them on a full time deal.

    Well i'm not getting into what may or may not have been agreed its pretty obvious it wasn't a water tight deal.

    I can see what you mean if you shake on a deal and say they are here for the season then that should be the case but thats not how the world is today its a very selfish place.
    The EFL rules give clubs the option to recall a season long loanee in the transfer window. My point is, Hardy had it in writing in December that this wouldn't happen. Of course, the world is like that today and always has been for a club which was once found by a Premier League enquiry to have a culture of corruption. I would expect nothing from Forest, but Alan Hardy was supposed to be mates with them.
    Last edited by Bohinen; 11-01-2018 at 12:37 PM.

  16. #36
    They're frightened I tell ya Mr Mainwaring! They're not safe from the drop and we're in the hunt for promotion...still a possibility of overtaking them next season remember

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    All that is true. However the key thing here for me is putting into writing that they were staying for the season. They’re claiming that it was Warburton who put that in writing and so they’re no longer bound by it. May or may not be true. And 500 grand for Grant is decent money.

    But it’s a bit like a winning a bet with a mate. Does he have any legal obligation to honour it? Absolutely not. Would you think he was a bellend and probably not trust his word ever again if he didn’t? Of course.
    Notts would probably do the same, especially if the 500 grand offer is true.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    The EFL rules give clubs the option to recall a season long loanee in the transfer window. My point is, Hardy had it in writing in December that this wouldn't happen. Of course, the world is like that today and always has been for a club which was once found by a Premier League enquiry to have a culture of corruption. I would expect nothing from Forest, but Alan Hardy was supposed to be mates with them.
    That's correct but we don't know the terms of the deal for Yates it might be on loan now and buy him at the end of the season.

    Of course it is wrong but when money is involved anything can happen.

    A simple rule is don't trust anybody I mean Big Sam said he wasn't leaving 2 days later he is at Bolton !

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by kill_the_drum View Post
    But does it bite us on the bum?
    We’ve had two players for half a season of the calibre we couldn’t have hoped to sign and we’re second in the league.
    I don’t think there are any lessons to be learned as I would certainly take two players of that calibre next season and run the risk of losing them in Jan!
    at last a voice of reason.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    How have they done us a favour? In December, Alan Hardy stated he had it in writing from Forest that Yates and Grant would stay for the rest of the season. Reneging on a deal is not doing someone a favour.

    Alan Hardy
    ‏Verified account @Bigalanh5
    3 Dec 2017

    They could but they won’t be. We’d like to thank Forest for their confirmation in writing that both Yates & Grant are with us for the whole season 👏👏👏
    Define having it in writing.
    AH- Dear Forest, will you be recalling Yates and Grant?
    Forest- Dear AH, we don’t see any reason why we would.

    Two bids and a sacked manager later they have their reasons.

    It’s a LOAN system. They have the right to recall them and they’ve exercised that right, end of story. They have massively helped us to achieve what no fan thought we would at this stage in the season, now we have to go and play the markets again!

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