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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    Lol...let’s not resort to speed walking as a benchmark for sporting sanity.
    I’m sure both sports demand a lot of dedication and discipline. Imo one looks ridiculous and the other chaotic but that is probably just my lack of understanding.
    I’m not keen on sports that need ‘marking’...ice skating, diving, dressage, gymnastics, synchronised swimming etc...prefer their to be something more tangible, i.e. score more or do it quicker, longer, further, higher whatever...again, probably just me.
    Look at the piece in bold. I agree 100% with that. I have seen so many atrociuously wrong marks given that it makes a mockery of the sport.

    (High Board and Springboard) Diving. Something I used to do in my youth. There used to be this chap, Greg Luganis, 4 Olympic Golds and 5 World titles to his name. I have seen him make some awful dives, seen that dive criticised by the commentator and pundit and then seen top marks given for it. Completely ridiculous marks. He won again.... not always because he was the best on the day but he was Greg Louganis, the legend.

    Torvill & Dean. Their Bolero routine was great to watch and it earned them perfect scores, something never before achieved in figure skating/ice dancing. They should have been given perfect zeros rather than 6's. Why? That routine broke several rules and should have led to 0.0 not 6.0

    Just 2 of the reasons I have a down on jury sports. Citius altius fortius !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    Look at the piece in bold. I agree 100% with that. I have seen so many atrociuously wrong marks given that it makes a mockery of the sport.

    (High Board and Springboard) Diving. Something I used to do in my youth. There used to be this chap, Greg Luganis, 4 Olympic Golds and 5 World titles to his name. I have seen him make some awful dives, seen that dive criticised by the commentator and pundit and then seen top marks given for it. Completely ridiculous marks. He won again.... not always because he was the best on the day but he was Greg Louganis, the legend.

    Torvill & Dean. Their Bolero routine was great to watch and it earned them perfect scores, something never before achieved in figure skating/ice dancing. They should have been given perfect zeros rather than 6's. Why? That routine broke several rules and should have led to 0.0 not 6.0

    Just 2 of the reasons I have a down on jury sports. Citius altius fortius !!
    I remember GL. I always thought there was a mass hypnotism going on with the marking, I've thought that with quite a few 'marking' sports, where the favourites seemed to get favoured BECAUSE they were favourites - funny but I never saw it in dressage, where my daughter reached a reasonable standard - the difference maybe that it was judged by only a single, pretty anonymous, person, usually not aware of the local 'favourite' rider/dobbin combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    I remember GL. I always thought there was a mass hypnotism going on with the marking, I've thought that with quite a few 'marking' sports, where the favourites seemed to get favoured BECAUSE they were favourites - funny but I never saw it in dressage, where my daughter reached a reasonable standard - the difference maybe that it was judged by only a single, pretty anonymous, person, usually not aware of the local 'favourite' rider/dobbin combination.
    I remember the springboard competition where he hit his head on the board on the way down. The dive saw him fall into the water on his back. I forget the marks he got but it should have been 0 but the given marks were sufficient to get him through to the next round.

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    MadAmster You are wrong about Torvill and Dean they won on the rules as they were on the day The rules were changed in 1996 stating the types of lifts and steps that must be performed Although some of those moves would not be in their Bolero routine they broke no rules and the judge scores were correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaram View Post
    MadAmster You are wrong about Torvill and Dean they won on the rules as they were on the day The rules were changed in 1996 stating the types of lifts and steps that must be performed Although some of those moves would not be in their Bolero routine they broke no rules and the judge scores were correct
    First time they performed Bolero they were frightened that the judges would give it straight zeroes as it contravened the rulebook. Eg - would the judges accept that "on the knees swaying" bit at the start. The music could not apparently be edited down any further than something like 4 minutes 28. The free dance must be between 3' 50" and 4' 10". That meant they had to "reduce the dance" by 18 seconds. The componist who had adapted Bolero was adamant, he couldn't shorten it further. The clock starts when the blades first come into contact with the ice. They came up with the "on the knees swaying" bit. When they first perofrmed it in competition they were unsure of it. Once they started moving, the clock would start once the blades touched the ice. The front of the blades made contact with the floor. Would the judges start the clock or would they wait until the "foot"/"bottom" of the blade touched. They accepted the bottom of the blade. Prior to the performance T&D did not know what would be accepted. Later, it came to light that the clock should have started once the metal touched the ice. It didn't. This acted as a sort of Precedent and, after that, it was determined acceptable. Luck!

    I remember the pundit at the time questioning whether they would get good marks or zero.

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    That's not the way Torvill and Dean say it in their autobiography I can't imagine their coach would let them do a routine if that would require breaking any rules The worlds top judges would never have given those marks if they were not 100% certain no rules were broken

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