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Thread: OT - Tom Daley is having a baby!

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    OT - Tom Daley is having a baby!

    If you haven't heard:

    https://news.sky.com/story/tom-daley...-baby-11250324


    Pray tell what's the world coming to?

    Look I have no objections in people being gay, lesbian or transgender. No objection in what kind of sexual activity they prefer. No objection them getting married and enjoying the benefits that the Law provides for married couples.
    But surely one must draw the line at certain things.

    Adoption is a tricky thing I accept. Would it be better to have an orphaned kid live with an LGBT couple rather than live in children's home that cannot provide the right kind of environment? Or even a kid living in poverty elsewhere, whose parents want a better life for him/her and offer the child for adoption? And the LGBT couple is the best one available to provide this? Ok perhaps in some circumstances, yes.

    However, look at the way Daley goes about this. It's Valentine's, hooray I'm gonna have a baby!

    Does an unborn child have no rights to a mother? Or if the couple was lesbian, to a father?

    Can Daley and partner provide the necessary parental love, beyond just material means?
    What about the kid growing up? How does he cope or explain his 'family position'?
    Isn't this a bit too traumatic for kids to deal at such an early age?

    Ok what about a kid that's a bit older in some poor part of the world that gets adopted by such a couple?
    You might ask does he deserve to live in squalor or live with such a couple that can provide a better life?
    Well at least the kid's a bit older and can and should be given a choice to say yes or no. And if he can give it there and then, then at least the question must be available to him when he's much older and can make a determination.

    I'm not saying an LGBT couple can't adopt, but I don't think they should be allowed with kids at such young ages and certainly not with babies. They can still provide the help needed, even the love with actual permenant possession of the child until the child is better equipped to make the choice. A minimum age of say 14-16 should be the barometer.

    Daley's decision is good for him but is good for the child?
    The choice of being gay is personal and a person's right to make. But being gay is also accepting that for reasons that nature/God has made, that you accept that you cannot make kids. It's wrong to tip or change natural procreation laws just to suit your choice.

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    Ask Adam Macey and Ian Craig

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    Its sick

    100 years ago these pair would have had the s h I t knocked out of them, not anymore though, they can do as they like and we have to keep quiet about it or else.

    I don't think we can allow this to carry on for much longer tbh, and the bbc need shutting down end of story, they've long since gone past the point of no return. society is all wrong and its down to platforms like the mainstream media, these people pushing this c r a p are simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCFCArmy View Post
    Its sick

    100 years ago these pair would have had the s h I t knocked out of them, not anymore though, they can do as they like and we have to keep quiet about it or else.

    I don't think we can allow this to carry on for much longer tbh, and the bbc need shutting down end of story, they've long since gone past the point of no return. society is all wrong and its down to platforms like the mainstream media, these people pushing this c r a p are simple.
    For someone who has to ‘keep quiet or else’ you seem to be making quite a lot of ‘noise’.
    I understand that it all takes some getting used to, but before you start calling things ‘sick’ let’s remember that there are an awful lot of heterosexual parents who aren’t up to the ‘job’ and that the vast majority of sexual abuse perpetrated by adults towards children is heterosexual in nature...Catholic priests apart of course, but then doubtless they’d share in your bigotry.

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    You defending this rama makes me think your a weirdo. Anyone who defends this needs a serious hammering as well imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCFCArmy View Post
    You defending this rama makes me think your a weirdo. Anyone who defends this needs a serious hammering as well imo.
    So an idiot on here who advocates violence on someone for an opinion they hold thinks society has gone wrong. You absolutely could not make it up!

    As for the moderation on this site, why such posts are not removed? it just shows what a creepy corner of the internet this site has become. Any connection with DCFC is a mere accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixtiesram View Post
    So an idiot on here who advocates violence on someone for an opinion they hold thinks society has gone wrong. You absolutely could not make it up!

    As for the moderation on this site, why such posts are not removed? it just shows what a creepy corner of the internet this site has become. Any connection with DCFC is a mere accident.

    I hope this pertains just to the poster not the thread itself.
    It's a controversial topic, but what's wrong in talking difficult stuff? We are adults and should be able to discuss stuff without the need to act as a dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCFCArmy View Post
    Its sick

    100 years ago these pair would have had the s h I t knocked out of them, not anymore though, they can do as they like and we have to keep quiet about it or else.

    I don't think we can allow this to carry on for much longer tbh, and the bbc need shutting down end of story, they've long since gone past the point of no return. society is all wrong and its down to platforms like the mainstream media, these people pushing this c r a p are simple.
    If this response is designed as a wind up, its in poor taste. If its a serious response I simply despair at its sheer bigotry.

    Its simply not worth wasting breath on, and this from someone who wasted loads of it on another poster.

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    Shut this thread /post down now! I can see a good few fall outs coming! Started by a red dog too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCFCArmy View Post
    You defending this rama makes me think your a weirdo. Anyone who defends this needs a serious hammering as well imo.
    Lol...another keyboard warrior threatening violence in the absence of reason. Grow up and get over your prejudice.
    I honestly do understand that it may take some adjusting to, but all that really matters where bringing up children is concerned is that those responsible are able to provide an environment where the child is able to thrive and feel loved. If you think that only heterosexuals can provide that you are sadly mistaken and similarly, if you’d seen the evidence that I have of children who have been bullied and abused by their ‘straight’, ‘normal’ and heterosexual fathers perhaps you’d change your mind
    Last edited by ramAnag; 15-02-2018 at 09:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanis View Post
    The choice of being gay is personal and a person's right to make. But being gay is also accepting that for reasons that nature/God has made, that you accept that you cannot make kids. It's wrong to tip or change natural procreation laws just to suit your choice.
    I had you down as a rounded and well educated person Rom. Was I wrong? Choice? Gay males just don't fancy women. It's in their make up. It isn't a choice. They often fight their nature and many end up with deep psychologocal problems through not accepting who they are.

    Can't make kids? I know a gay bloke who has 2 children by a gay mother. The kids live with their Mam and her other half but Chris is involved in bringing the kids up along with his husband. A lesbian couple across the road from me have 2 kids from the same father. Artificial insemination because the mother didn't want to have sex with a male....... so, yes, they can make kids.

    Daley could quite easily have gone down the insemination route with a surrogate mother. He can afford the 20 grand or whatever it costs. Isn't it better for him to adopt an existing child and try to give it a good life than bringing a new child into the world when there are already so many needing a loving and caring home?

    As for DCFCArmy, what an absolute bigot. 300 years ago people were imprisoned (it was called the workhouse but what's in a name) for being poor. They were little more than tools to be (mis)used by the rich. Little more than slaves and their life expectancy was 30 to 35 if they were lucky. Would you like to return to those days as well?

    Look on the positive side, the more gay men there are, the less competition you have for a good woman.............

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    Don't see the problem, so long as they provide a safe / supporting home. Not everyone is blessed with growing up with a mum and dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    I had you down as a rounded and well educated person Rom. Was I wrong? Choice? Gay males just don't fancy women. It's in their make up. It isn't a choice. They often fight their nature and many end up with deep psychologocal problems through not accepting who they are.

    Can't make kids? I know a gay bloke who has 2 children by a gay mother. The kids live with their Mam and her other half but Chris is involved in bringing the kids up along with his husband. A lesbian couple across the road from me have 2 kids from the same father. Artificial insemination because the mother didn't want to have sex with a male....... so, yes, they can make kids.

    Daley could quite easily have gone down the insemination route with a surrogate mother. He can afford the 20 grand or whatever it costs. Isn't it better for him to adopt an existing child and try to give it a good life than bringing a new child into the world when there are already so many needing a loving and caring home?

    As for DCFCArmy, what an absolute bigot. 300 years ago people were imprisoned (it was called the workhouse but what's in a name) for being poor. They were little more than tools to be (mis)used by the rich. Little more than slaves and their life expectancy was 30 to 35 if they were lucky. Would you like to return to those days as well?

    Look on the positive side, the more gay men there are, the less competition you have for a good woman.............
    Net of lesbians, that is, MA. I dont know the stats off the top of my head but I'd guess the impact is neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdiSalisbury View Post
    Don't see the problem, so long as they provide a safe / supporting home. Not everyone is blessed with growing up with a mum and dad.
    Nutshell...well put Adi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger_ramjet View Post
    Net of lesbians, that is, MA. I dont know the stats off the top of my head but I'd guess the impact is neutral.
    I could point to the stereotypical view of a lesbian not being a person that red blooded Heteros would give a second glance but that would be way too non-PC

    Just had another thought about people who don't fit the "norm". In the past, we had witches burned at the stake, left handers were not tolerated etc. would the anti LGBT lobby on here also advocate bringing back witch hunts and lambasting the left handed etc?

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    actually i agree with persecution of left handers, especially if ginger

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger_ramjet View Post
    actually i agree with persecution of left handers, especially if ginger
    Please smash the glass for the emergency birch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger_ramjet View Post
    actually i agree with persecution of left handers, especially if ginger
    OK Rog, do you play cricket? If so, do you bat left or right handed? Golf? left or right handed swing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    OK Rog, do you play cricket? If so, do you bat left or right handed? Golf? left or right handed swing?
    I thought of cricket, and recalled smashing a left hand opener passed the umpire 5 times in his 1st over. They should definitely be protected, unlike my stumps the next over.

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    right in both cases! my earlier remark does seem a bit Stokesist. In fact everything right - racket sports, handwriting, mousing, mast... ur maybe not mention that

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