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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    Don't know if you can confirm this - did we sell a youth to Man U at some point in the last 2 years? I seem to recall reading something on those lines but unsure whether it happened or not?
    Perhaps you mean Keiran Freeman who had trials at Man U and has signed for Southampton?

  2. #42
    latest Scotland U15 squad has 3 united players in it, 4 if you include a boy who left for celtic recently. maybe the future is bright just have to wait a couple of years

  3. #43
    I know of one young player on our books that is being taken away to Scotland squads above his age group and Celtic Rangers Hearts and Hibs all want. I keep trying to convince his mum to keep him here. Ultimately though they've got to do what's best for his chances of making his one and only shot at being a pro a reality. I just hope it can be at United.

    Youth Development is a fluid thing. It far removed from being an exact science.

    But things like coach education are something a club can control and influence in a massive way. It's the cornerstone in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PortugueseFrank View Post
    Perhaps you mean Keiran Freeman who had trials at Man U and has signed for Southampton?
    Think that was him Frank, cheers

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by PortugueseFrank View Post
    I know of one young player on our books that is being taken away to Scotland squads above his age group and Celtic Rangers Hearts and Hibs all want. I keep trying to convince his mum to keep him here. Ultimately though they've got to do what's best for his chances of making his one and only shot at being a pro a reality. I just hope it can be at United.

    Youth Development is a fluid thing. It far removed from being an exact science.

    But things like coach education are something a club can control and influence in a massive way. It's the cornerstone in my eyes.
    It should be, however, as with most businesses, when times get hard its usually training and development that gets shelved first.

  6. #46
    despite our development squad being poor, we still seem to bring through decent players and are always attracting interest from bigger clubs. the problem i have is we dont seem to be able to keep any decent prospects long enough before they are snapped up anymore.

    the likes of russell, Armstrong, goodwillie, gauld, souttar and so on all came through and played over 50 games before leaving for bigger things. nowadays guys like Harry souttar, the boy freedman, even ali coote left without doing anything in the 1st team.

    we do have decent players coming through. Matty smith, Alladice and ballantyne look decent. obviously still need to improve but theyre still young.

  7. #47
    That's a symptom of slipping down from top six and challenging for Europe etc.

    Moving upwards makes us a more attractive place to be.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    If ever there was a season when we needed brilliant youth talent making an impact on the first team this was it.

    Where were they when we needed an injection of passion and desire to make it in the first team? Where was the new Jonny Russell when the first team coach needed one? Where was the new Stuart Armstrong? ok I realise these type of players don't come along every day but we should have seen some new blood by now.

    We all know what's wrong with the club, it's been well documented on here, but one of the first jobs of the new regime needs to be to rip out the old wood and rebuild our youth development from scratch.

    It's maybe a different thread, maybe not, but it also seems we are now a club that players can't get away from quick enough, John Souttar Blair Spittal, Michael Gardyne, I'm sure some posters will know of others.

    Severely Pi55ed off
    Its McKinnon and Thompson who have failed us you do not need a good youth system to get out of the Championship you just need to sign the right players when you have the biggest budget in the league as we did.If you were to compare our budget v ST Mirren or Livingston it would be in comparison to Brendan Rodgers being a country mile behind Sevco and Aberdeen in 2nd place,FACT.

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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by GUNBOAT View Post
    Its McKinnon and Thompson who have failed us you do not need a good youth system to get out of the Championship you just need to sign the right players when you have the biggest budget in the league as we did.If you were to compare our budget v ST Mirren or Livingston it would be in comparison to Brendan Rodgers being a country mile behind Sevco and Aberdeen in 2nd place,FACT.
    Itís a good comparison GB.

    Even Ronnie delia was able to keep Celtic above the rest given their bigger budgets.

    Canít imagine csaba would be able to win league with Celtic either. It would be the same failings. But if that happened Iím sure it would be the celtic players fault and not csabaís

    We are throwing what money we have after bad. This Csaba decision could be the final breaking of United. Iím absolutely heartbroken about the whole thing and that we seem to be throwing away next season with same mistakes in key personnel, manager as cost us last time

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by LSArab View Post
    It’s a good comparison GB.

    Even Ronnie delia was able to keep Celtic above the rest given their bigger budgets.

    Can’t imagine csaba would be able to win league with Celtic either. It would be the same failings. But if that happened I’m sure it would be the celtic players fault and not csaba’s

    We are throwing what money we have after bad. This Csaba decision could be the final breaking of United. I’m absolutely heartbroken about the whole thing and that we seem to be throwing away next season with same mistakes in key personnel, manager as cost us last time
    I totally agree.

    Mistake after mistake we have to put up with.

    Clearly our board don't learn from their mistakes.

    Will we be playing one up front again and rotating the squad using the tombola machine?

    That is when we get a squad.

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    the one up front pisses me off - not because it cant be forward but we just dont play a system, style or aggressively to make it work. The other way is to play like Barca and lets be honest thats no worked out well for us What would help is a fit keatings, fyvie and stanton all season. I also think if McMullan can find some consistency he can win games. We need some power and height all over the pitch.

    I really will cry if Phil gets resigned

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jam View Post
    I totally agree.

    Mistake after mistake we have to put up with.

    Clearly our board don't learn from their mistakes.

    Will we be playing one up front again and rotating the squad using the tombola machine?

    That is when we get a squad.
    Depends on your definition of mistakes. You could definitely argue the board are not making the same mistake by not getting rid of yet another manager a few months into his tenure.

  14. #54
    Itís not a few months. Heís been in charge for 31 matches and been terrible.

    When you have made a mistake the earlier you can realise that the better.

  15. #55
    Only 6 months.

  16. #56
    I guess people's definition of a few can vary. 🙂 But half a year and just a January transfer window to get a side promoted? It's unrealistic for fans to expect better, especially when our best midfield got injured in that time. Remember, Stanton and Flood couldn't get a game then but ended up being the mainstay in that area of the park.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    I guess people's definition of a few can vary. �� But half a year and just a January transfer window to get a side promoted? It's unrealistic for fans to expect better, especially when our best midfield got injured in that time. Remember, Stanton and Flood couldn't get a game then but ended up being the mainstay in that area of the park.
    Stanton couldnt get a regular game because he was injured for most of the early weeks of the league. It wasnt until he got a rest for a few weeks that he made it back to become PotY! One of Rays failings was playing players through their injuries that in the end lost us Keatings. One thing i do give Shabba credit for is he got people sorted out rather than playing them through injuries.

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    Keatings fit again according to Tully.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    I guess people's definition of a few can vary. 🙂 But half a year and just a January transfer window to get a side promoted? It's unrealistic for fans to expect better, especially when our best midfield got injured in that time. Remember, Stanton and Flood couldn't get a game then but ended up being the mainstay in that area of the park.
    Csaba himself said when he came in he would win the league.

    He failed his own test

    He has not apologised or even seemed to recognise that he failed what he promised

    Added to that it has been obvious watching united that the team have not been consistently motivated or organised.

    Add to that baffling decisions and poor substitutions

    There is no need to wait any longer to decide on csaba the evidence is overwhelming

    On topic. MM was unable to identify when asked any pedigree for csaba developing youth. His cv shows he is rarely anywhere for all that long

    Overall we are making a major mistake persisting with a manager that was demonstrably bad last season

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNBOAT View Post
    Its McKinnon and Thompson who have failed us you do not need a good youth system to get out of the Championship you just need to sign the right players when you have the biggest budget in the league as we did.If you were to compare our budget v ST Mirren or Livingston it would be in comparison to Brendan Rodgers being a country mile behind Sevco and Aberdeen in 2nd place,FACT.
    It's easy to say you don't NEED youth coming through to win the Championship but it sure as he'll helps so I'm surprised you're so dismissive.
    Especially given as a club we need the income from player sales to balance the books.
    If we'd had 8 good hard working pros last season, guys desperate to prove themselves, plus 3 talented youngsters making their mark maybe we would have gone up.

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