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    Our youth system has failed us

    If ever there was a season when we needed brilliant youth talent making an impact on the first team this was it.

    Where were they when we needed an injection of passion and desire to make it in the first team? Where was the new Jonny Russell when the first team coach needed one? Where was the new Stuart Armstrong? ok I realise these type of players don't come along every day but we should have seen some new blood by now.

    We all know what's wrong with the club, it's been well documented on here, but one of the first jobs of the new regime needs to be to rip out the old wood and rebuild our youth development from scratch.

    It's maybe a different thread, maybe not, but it also seems we are now a club that players can't get away from quick enough, John Souttar Blair Spittal, Michael Gardyne, I'm sure some posters will know of others.

    Severely Pi55ed off

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    We all know what's wrong with the club, it's been well documented on here, but one of the first jobs of the new regime needs to be to rip out the old wood and rebuild our youth development from scratch.

    It's maybe a different thread, maybe not, but it also seems we are now a club that players can't get away from quick enough, John Souttar Blair Spittal, Michael Gardyne, I'm sure some posters will know of others.

    Severely Pi55ed off
    Will we get a new regime with the root cause of all the issues being so stubborn about selling up? And i dont think that many players have wanted away, more like the quids were flashing in front of someone!

    One of the first things to be done if the miracle happens is getting Stevie Campbell back in the club, and maybe even Ian Cathro as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick A Saw View Post
    Stevie Campbell back in the club, and maybe even Ian Cathro as well.
    this ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jam View Post
    this ^^
    tbh I'd have them back as players right now

    I want my club back

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    While I agree with the OP totally it's more of a case of the club (i.e. The chairman) failing the youth system by allowing Stevie Campbell to leave and not backing him when he needed it most.

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    The fact that the Club paid up Stevie Campbell whilst insisting on a gagging clause, rather than conclude the whole industrial tribunal hearing, is highly suggestive in itself that Campbell had a strong case against unfair dismissal and would have won anyway. Further, you've got the secretary last week winning a payout against unfair dismissal. On top of all that you've got the Chairm.., oops, 'Mr A' , running about shagging anything, preferably under the age of 19, and you do to start to wonder what the actual phuck is going on in a so called 'Family' Club. If he'd been an MP or a Minister he would have been forced to resign by now. No such luck for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    The fact that the Club paid up Stevie Campbell whilst insisting on a gagging clause, rather than conclude the whole industrial tribunal hearing, is highly suggestive in itself that Campbell had a strong case against unfair dismissal and would have won anyway. Further, you've got the secretary last week winning a payout against unfair dismissal. On top of all that you've got the Chairm.., oops, 'Mr A' , running about shagging anything, preferably under the age of 19, and you do to start to wonder what the actual phuck is going on in a so called 'Family' Club. If he'd been an MP or a Minister he would have been forced to resign by now. No such luck for us.
    It’s not highly suggestive in the slightest. Solicitors inform what are the least costly means of settling a dispute, in most cases a derisory offer is made to the claimant, and this offer would be well below the cost of fees for solicitors, witnesses time off work etc. As some of these tribunals can last days. We had one recently where a claim was made for £25,000 by a disgruntled employee who claimed constructive dismissal, on the final day before the tribunal started he was offered £800, and he accepted it, you reckon he ‘won’ lol

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    Good points James.

    These payouts to former employees (that have been treated illegally by the club) is needlessly wasted income.

    Supporters and sponsors don't give their hard earned cash to the club to see it squandered by a board that has no respect for employment law.

    Any payout costs incurred here are the result of mis-management by someone who does not know or respect employment law. They have cost the club a lot of money, and should be shown the door. Replaced by someone who knows what they are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahlltanyirhide View Post
    It’s not highly suggestive in the slightest. Solicitors inform what are the least costly means of settling a dispute, in most cases a derisory offer is made to the claimant, and this offer would be well below the cost of fees for solicitors, witnesses time off work etc. As some of these tribunals can last days. We had one recently where a claim was made for £25,000 by a disgruntled employee who claimed constructive dismissal, on the final day before the tribunal started he was offered £800, and he accepted it, you reckon he ‘won’ lol

    According to the media the Admin girl settled out of court for a 'five' figure sum. That could be anything from £10,000 - £99,999. Most likely somewhere between 10-20 grand.

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    We currently have, barring injury, two players who have came through our youth set-up as first choice. Robson and Fraser. Five of our first team squad are such players also: adding Ballantyne, Allardice, and M Smith.

    This is nowhere near failure IMHO.

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    The Dev League does not look good with us bottom and them second. A lot of work required looks like to get back to where we were youth wise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    We currently have, barring injury, two players who have came through our youth set-up as first choice. Robson and Fraser. Five of our first team squad are such players also: adding Ballantyne, Allardice, and M Smith.

    This is nowhere near failure IMHO.
    LOL - Conveniently overlooking the fact that apart from Fraser (when he can be arsed), the rest are phucking garbage. Being part of this particular first team squad means nothing. If we weren't utter toilet these boys would would be nowhere near the club never mind the first team!

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    How you come to that conclusion when most of them haven't played that many games is fairly mysterious. Hardly surprising though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    How you come to that conclusion when most of them haven't played that many games is fairly mysterious. Hardly surprising though.
    They've all played enough games for the development squad AND the first team for someone who watches both regularly to make a judgement.

    Perhaps you should go to more U20 games, or maybe it's easier to stick yer heid in the sand again and pretend everything is rosy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM1971 View Post
    According to the media the Admin girl settled out of court for a 'five' figure sum. That could be anything from £10,000 - £99,999. Most likely somewhere between 10-20 grand.
    Was it not that she was looking for a five figure sum? the payout agreed was not noted

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    Big difference a player playing a development match rather than in the first team though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    Big difference a player playing a development match rather than in the first team though.
    Correct, however good players stick out like a sore thumb at that level. The guys you mention don't. Our development squad are utterly honking and as Stoke says, the whole thing needs ripped up and started again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    Big difference a player playing a development match rather than in the first team though.
    How can you equate ANY of the players you mentioned to the likes of Russell and Armstrong? Just because some of them get near the first team doesn't make them good Terry.

    We needed and may still need (god forbid next season) OUTSTANDING youth talent to break through and help fire us to the top division.

    We've been let down and it needs a clearout and rebuild from top to bottom.

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    Terry - Stuart Armstrong broke into the team under Houston!! That was centuries ago. Not sure about JR but was many years before Armstrong. Tell me this - when was the last time we produced a player from the youth ranks that went on to be a game changer in the first team? Isn't that the whole point of having a youth system in the first place??

    What we needed and what we still need is an Andy Gray a David Goodwillie or an Andy Robertson.

    What have we got? Nada

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    Have our best youths not been getting sold before getting first team?

    Last summer to Southampton and another one to Celtic not that long ago i seem to remember.

    What hope have we got of quality youth players coming through to help first team if the current owners sell at the first sign of cash?

    Also the fact that our youth set up was classed miles above the funs and now it isn’t wont help either. Instead of us getting the pick of the area we are now sharing that.

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