Orta - Architect of Tomorrow or Cowboy Builder of Today

[MrsORichSenior]

Okay - ive done Alternative Financial Plans,comments on players,touched on Bravo and now Mr Orta...........


The restructuring started immediately when Radrizzani took over - he got in Orta as Director of Football to rebuild from scratch the sides of matters that had been left to slide.At Boro his job was totally different as he was Head of Recruitment only - big difference in roles of which the local media folks at Boro kindly explained to me.Rad having spent time (due diligence) with Massimo prior was straight in at the deep end with Orta his chosen architect for a whole regime structure to address - source what was needed, implement,advertise and assess applications for intimidating roles with the new season weeks away.A remit that makes the feats of Frenchman Philipe Petite look small fry in comparison ..............

Remember both came in at end of May 2017 and season started in Aug 2017.

All hands to the deck then - with many staff interviews (if all went to plan) and key appointments of folks to having 'em at their desks by July 2017 - some no doubt having obligations to previous employers so they'd had 'employment notice' period legislation to abide by - so commencement of work would be Aug 2017 in some key appointments to secure the needed ones trusted with the rebuild.Contacts globally,scouting networks to be set up and staff bought in to run 'em from all over the place - all from scratch.

FL kicked off early this season in Aug remember and WE then had the the recruitment of players to bring in as FL transfer window closed on Aug 31st.

Phew - Players got in last minute and players went out last minute,TC as new Coach in and told to get on with all this going off with the remit of 'Top 6'.
Then a brave decision to remove TC who only was appointed as Monk wanted out or had 'options' to want out within Rads first week,so a few facts that many folks conveniently forget along with the money spent on legislative reconstruction of a club rising from Massimos valiant ashes,oh and the other cash been spent to lest we forget and the debt management inherited from previous regimes.

Before the clamber to accuse me of being an apologist for the team I support I would suggest that I'm a realist living in the real (football) factual world.

This is an assessment in hindsight of media facts known and facts maybe not well known which can be divulged publicly - not internet say so's may I add ................

Reality check now - 5 Year Plan projected,top 6 this season and realistic challenge for top 2 for season 2018/19 voiced by the Rad on arrival.
So in 6 months what did we expect,considering all the facts - heavier debts and mediocrity with no sub structure to support a PL placement or challenge.
Other wise what is the option ?
We've done the quick & done the slow - it appears we're doing the steady.
As stated - is Orta an architect of tomorrow or cowboy builder of today ?

Your views,as ever, I'm sure will all differ - so can I have them please.
MOT

[WTF11]

Okay - ive done Alternative Financial Plans,comments on players,touched on Bravo and now Mr Orta...........


The restructuring started immediately when Radrizzani took over - he got in Orta as Director of Football to rebuild from scratch the sides of matters that had been left to slide.At Boro his job was totally different as he was Head of Recruitment only - big difference in roles of which the local media folks at Boro kindly explained to me.Rad having spent time (due diligence) with Massimo prior was straight in at the deep end with Orta his chosen architect for a whole regime structure to address - source what was needed, implement,advertise and assess applications for intimidating roles with the new season weeks away.A remit that makes the feats of Frenchman Philipe Petite look small fry in comparison ..............

Remember both came in at end of May 2017 and season started in Aug 2017.

All hands to the deck then - with many staff interviews (if all went to plan) and key appointments of folks to having 'em at their desks by July 2017 - some no doubt having obligations to previous employers so they'd had 'employment notice' period legislation to abide by - so commencement of work would be Aug 2017 in some key appointments to secure the needed ones trusted with the rebuild.Contacts globally,scouting networks to be set up and staff bought in to run 'em from all over the place - all from scratch.

FL kicked off early this season in Aug remember and WE then had the the recruitment of players to bring in as FL transfer window closed on Aug 31st.

Phew - Players got in last minute and players went out last minute,TC as new Coach in and told to get on with all this going off with the remit of 'Top 6'.
Then a brave decision to remove TC who only was appointed as Monk wanted out or had 'options' to want out within Rads first week,so a few facts that many folks conveniently forget along with the money spent on legislative reconstruction of a club rising from Massimos valiant ashes,oh and the other cash been spent to lest we forget and the debt management inherited from previous regimes.

Before the clamber to accuse me of being an apologist for the team I support I would suggest that I'm a realist living in the real (football) factual world.

This is an assessment in hindsight of media facts known and facts maybe not well known which can be divulged publicly - not internet say so's may I add ................

Reality check now - 5 Year Plan projected,top 6 this season and realistic challenge for top 2 for season 2018/19 voiced by the Rad on arrival.
So in 6 months what did we expect,considering all the facts - heavier debts and mediocrity with no sub structure to support a PL placement or challenge.
Other wise what is the option ?
We've done the quick & done the slow - it appears we're doing the steady.
As stated - is Orta an architect of tomorrow or cowboy builder of today ?

Your views,as ever, I'm sure will all differ - so can I have them please.
MOT

Neither. He is a failed Head of Recruitment, and if he was tasked with constructing mechanisms to support quality coaching and th acquisition of talented quality additions to the squad that almost got us into the playoffs last season, then he's failed dismally on all counts as DoF at Leeds United.

Looking forward to the next 24 months, not.

[norfolk white]

He's brought in alot of rubbish and got lucky with saiz and possibly alioski then sent some back out who we've never seen play, and put the rest in the development squad, where are the youngsters coming through from our own coaching team?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Far too early too tell as he hasn’t been here long. Impressed with Siaz, Alioski and Cibicki - others will take time for us to see.

His CV is very impressive, his work at Sevilla created his reputation. He signed good players at Zenit and was part of the Boro team that won promotion to the prem. He signed Traore (who tore us apart last week) and Bamford for them (who swung the axe).

his biggest challenge seems to be many at Leeds are not willing to change their view that the manager should control everything.

his record so far here in 8 months; some hits, some misses and some tbc. If part of his remit was to improve the youth playing squad he seems to have grasped that nettle with relish signing lots of players - too early to tell how they will develop - but has searched far and wide.

he also has a massive contact book which bodes well. Needs at least another year before he can be properly judged.

[WTF11]

Far too early too tell as he hasn’t been here long. Impressed with Siaz, Alioski and Cibicki - others will take time for us to see.

His CV is very impressive, his work at Sevilla created his reputation. He signed good players at Zenit and was part of the Boro team that won promotion to the prem. He signed Traore (who tore us apart last week) and Bamford for them (who swung the axe).

his biggest challenge seems to be many at Leeds are not willing to change their view that the manager should control everything.

his record so far here in 8 months; some hits, some misses and some tbc. If part of his remit was to improve the youth playing squad he seems to have grasped that nettle with relish signing lots of players - too early to tell how they will develop - but has searched far and wide.

he also has a massive contact book which bodes well. Needs at least another year before he can be properly judged.

Here we Come, League 1 or bust! 😆😆😆

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Here we Come, League 1 or bust! ������

was replying to Mrs O but I see you felt the need to make yet another constructive comment on my posts - I guess I should be flattered

[Marley past ghosts]

orta mrs o , is a complete waste of wage , like many who are kicking a ball about for us every week .masquerading as professional footballers . lol

he should be nowhere near the club , and the reason we will never attract a top class manager at this club, in a month of sundays .

has for his scouting prowess , where do we even begin lol .

at the last count he as brought fif**** players here , and the only ones that are any good in my opinion are, saiz and maybe alioski at a push , , the rest could leave tomorrow for me. , some have been absolute disasters , sacko , wiedwald , anita to name but three.

the main reason for our abject performances in many games this season , and has much blame, should be apportioned to him as well as christianson , who ultimately is the one who got the bullet . christiansons days were numbered from day one , and exactly the same thing will apply to heckingbottom . there are the fall guys who are already set up when it goes horribly wrong , which it will continue to do so while ever he remains at this club .

[norfolk white]

I thought the idea of a youth side was taking youngsters from schools etc and developing them to the extent of being in the first team, not shipping them in from abroad......or am I being old fashioned and in a Dreamworld?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I agree that would be ideal but if you look at how football has developed most clubs now sign better youth players developed by others where they can.

i guess that the cost of good players is such that it is a cheaper/more efficient way of acquiring talent.

I suspect the revolution will continue as those who analyse games and track stats refine what are the important ones. If you read articles from the leaders in that area most accept that there is a need to develop better defensive stats/traits an how much weight they should be given. The best examples are Maldinimand Jaap Stam (last year at Man U) One current analysis Maldini would not score highly as he made few tackles and won few headers. However, the reason for that was he read the game so well he intercepted or forced the attacker to,lose the ball without having to tackle as much but the ratings stats don’t currently accurately rate that skill.

jaap Stam in his last year at Man U made less, tackles and fewer headers so appeared to be on the wane - actually his reading of the game became better so he became more like Maldini. It is one of the few mistakes Fergie owns up to.

[MrsORichSenior]

I thought the idea of a youth side was taking youngsters from schools etc and developing them to the extent of being in the first team, not shipping them in from abroad......or am I being old fashioned and in a Dreamworld?

Fair point - but the 1st and 2nd Year Scholars Squads do have quite a share of local talent in their ranks which shows Northern scouting development is improving again slowly ........... within the local community.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leed...and_Youth_Team