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    Time to put up or shut up.

    So this season is over before April....again. We've shot ourselves in the foot by selling our best players and replacing them with second rate quality, again. We are sat here in March questioning players commitment and attitude again.

    We need a proper approach this summer, enough is enough with mucking about with 'hopeful' signings. Time to spend the cash and get the quality. (Before I mention these players I know we wont sign them but you get my point)

    Splash the cash, get the players we know will do the business and all hail the returns of:

    Kyle Bartley
    James Milner
    Aaaron Lennon
    Max Gradel
    Luke Garbutt

    Also get that Woods and Bentley from Brentford + the two lads from Preston. Don't sell Jansson or Saiz. Do take Cibicki, Cooper, Wiedwald, Lonergan, Anita, O'Kane and Grot to a deserted island and leave them there. Job done.


    Or sell Jansson and Saiz. Sign some soft foreign lads who've never kicked a ball in England and can barely get a game in their own country + one token cheap british player to make it appear like we are signing championship quality, preferably someone who played 2/3 games in a promotion winning team so we can claim they'll bring experience.

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    Or sign some crap from Barnsley, that will definitely be in the pipe line.

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    For me Joel I'd be signing stockdale marshall Bartley helander flint Clayton Howson, Jaime mata and francesco caputo, I think milner as much as I'd love for him and lennon to come back to Leeds I can't see it happening until we are back in the Premier league, then both of them might come back, we get ideguchi from preseason who I think will become a good player for us, I'd also keep BPF ayling berardi coyle debock Denton jansson shaughnessy forshaw Phillips Vieira alioski Dallas sacko hernandez Saiz lasogga ekuban grot and Roberts, all the rest not mentioned can leave the club, and that includes the current coaches, I'd promote sully to first team gk coach, get redders back coaching the kids, bring in an experienced British coach or a former Leeds player who knows what this club and its fans expect, and if we do all that, we will be promoted next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLIVETHELEEDSFAN View Post
    For me Joel I'd be signing stockdale marshall Bartley helander flint Clayton Howson, Jaime mata and francesco caputo, I think milner as much as I'd love for him and lennon to come back to Leeds I can't see it happening until we are back in the Premier league, then both of them might come back, we get ideguchi from preseason who I think will become a good player for us, I'd also keep BPF ayling berardi coyle debock Denton jansson shaughnessy forshaw Phillips Vieira alioski Dallas sacko hernandez Saiz lasogga ekuban grot and Roberts, all the rest not mentioned can leave the club, and that includes the current coaches, I'd promote sully to first team gk coach, get redders back coaching the kids, bring in an experienced British coach or a former Leeds player who knows what this club and its fans expect, and if we do all that, we will be promoted next season
    Ideguchi can't get in a spanish second division team struggling against relegation so I'm not holding out much hope on that front.

    Problem with most of those players you mention- Berardi, De Bock, Denton, Shaughnessy, Phillips, Alioski, Dallas, Lassoga is they're all just ok squad players not promotion quality players and then the others like Sacko, Grot etc are just crap.

    We have 4 genuine promotion quality players in Forshaw, Saiz, Hernandez, Jansson and when in form and fit Vieira. But thats not enough sadly.
    Last edited by joellufcprice; 11-03-2018 at 12:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellufcprice View Post
    So this season is over before April....again. We've shot ourselves in the foot by selling our best players and replacing them with second rate quality, again. We are sat here in March questioning players commitment and attitude again.

    We need a proper approach this summer, enough is enough with mucking about with 'hopeful' signings. Time to spend the cash and get the quality. (Before I mention these players I know we wont sign them but you get my point)

    Splash the cash, get the players we know will do the business and all hail the returns of:

    Kyle Bartley
    James Milner
    Aaaron Lennon
    Max Gradel
    Luke Garbutt

    Also get that Woods and Bentley from Brentford + the two lads from Preston. Don't sell Jansson or Saiz. Do take Cibicki, Cooper, Wiedwald, Lonergan, Anita, O'Kane and Grot to a deserted island and leave them there. Job done.


    Or sell Jansson and Saiz. Sign some soft foreign lads who've never kicked a ball in England and can barely get a game in their own country + one token cheap british player to make it appear like we are signing championship quality, preferably someone who played 2/3 games in a promotion winning team so we can claim they'll bring experience.
    I'd hope for the first, but fear the second, for as long as our DoF remains in post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clivetheleedsfan View Post
    for me joel i'd be signing stockdale marshall bartley helander flint clayton howson, jaime mata and francesco caputo, i think milner as much as i'd love for him and lennon to come back to leeds i can't see it happening until we are back in the premier league, then both of them might come back, we get ideguchi from preseason who i think will become a good player for us, i'd also keep bpf ayling berardi coyle debock denton jansson shaughnessy forshaw phillips vieira alioski dallas sacko hernandez saiz lasogga ekuban grot and roberts, all the rest not mentioned can leave the club, and that includes the current coaches, i'd promote sully to first team gk coach, get redders back coaching the kids, bring in an experienced british coach or a former leeds player who knows what this club and its fans expect, and if we do all that, we will be promoted next season
    sacko? Keep???

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellufcprice View Post
    So this season is over before April....again. We've shot ourselves in the foot by selling our best players and replacing them with second rate quality, again. We are sat here in March questioning players commitment and attitude again.

    We need a proper approach this summer, enough is enough with mucking about with 'hopeful' signings. Time to spend the cash and get the quality. (Before I mention these players I know we wont sign them but you get my point)

    Splash the cash, get the players we know will do the business and all hail the returns of:

    Kyle Bartley
    James Milner
    Aaaron Lennon
    Max Gradel
    Luke Garbutt

    Also get that Woods and Bentley from Brentford + the two lads from Preston. Don't sell Jansson or Saiz. Do take Cibicki, Cooper, Wiedwald, Lonergan, Anita, O'Kane and Grot to a deserted island and leave them there. Job done.


    Or sell Jansson and Saiz. Sign some soft foreign lads who've never kicked a ball in England and can barely get a game in their own country + one token cheap british player to make it appear like we are signing championship quality, preferably someone who played 2/3 games in a promotion winning team so we can claim they'll bring experience.
    Needs to be put of Mrs O's 'invitation to comment thread' which she is gonna show to Radz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellufcprice View Post
    Ideguchi can't get in a spanish second division team struggling against relegation so I'm not holding out much hope on that front.

    Problem with most of those players you mention- Berardi, De Bock, Denton, Shaughnessy, Phillips, Alioski, Dallas, Lassoga is they're all just ok squad players not promotion quality players and then the others like Sacko, Grot etc are just crap.

    We have 4 genuine promotion quality players in Forshaw, Saiz, Hernandez, Jansson and when in form and fit Vieira. But thats not enough sadly.
    Ideguchi -


    Japan international Yosuke Ideguchi was loaned abroad immediately because FA rules prohibited him from gaining a work permit for the rest of the English 17/18 season.
    He had not made the requisite number of international appearances for Japan to meet the FAs requirements.
    Leeds are confident he will secure a work permit for the 2018-19 campaign.

    The J-League's busy campaign (season runs from March to Dec) was completed in 2017 so Leeds saw a European loan as a way of keeping Ideguchi 'active' during what should have been his 'rest period' and then start his pre season in Spain hence his recent first tentative appearance.
    After securing his services (fighting competition from others) for 500,000 on a four year contract up front .........negative reports 'bout him from Spain are bollux as he is simply not match fit at the 'mo .............. and he will be keen to board the World Cup squad plane to Russia after featuring in Japan's successful WC campaign fit & fresh after a busy 2017 year for him both on and off the pitch as he was a prominent figure 'pin up' boy PR wise for the J- League,so as a 20 year old in 2017 a hell of lot of expectation being placed on his shoulders in fairness Joel.

    MOT

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    I don't think "sensible approach" and "splash the cash" are compatible. We don't have to throw money everywhere just because we have it, rather, spend it when neccessary to fill the gaps. A player's value (squad and importance wise) isn't determined by how much we pay for him.

    I still believe that last summer we signed a few excellent players on paper but they aren't working out for some reason. Either because of the surroundings, tactics, whatever else. I had no doubts that Lasogga on his day is a lot better than Wood.

    I think the only genuine mistake we have made was appointing Heckingbottom. No disrespect to the man, he is a part of Leeds now thus I support him till the very end but what the F? He is nowhere near good enough and I still have no idea what made Radrizzani think that he is the perfect man for the job. I can't see us progressing with him but I sure hope he proves me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior View Post
    Ideguchi -


    Japan international Yosuke Ideguchi was loaned abroad immediately because FA rules prohibited him from gaining a work permit for the rest of the English 17/18 season.
    He had not made the requisite number of international appearances for Japan to meet the FAs requirements.
    Leeds are confident he will secure a work permit for the 2018-19 campaign.

    The J-League's busy campaign (season runs from March to Dec) was completed in 2017 so Leeds saw a European loan as a way of keeping Ideguchi 'active' during what should have been his 'rest period' and then start his pre season in Spain hence his recent first tentative appearance.
    After securing his services (fighting competition from others) for 500,000 on a four year contract up front .........negative reports 'bout him from Spain are bollux as he is simply not match fit at the 'mo .............. and he will be keen to board the World Cup squad plane to Russia after featuring in Japan's successful WC campaign fit & fresh after a busy 2017 year for him both on and off the pitch as he was a prominent figure 'pin up' boy PR wise for the J- League,so as a 20 year old in 2017 a hell of lot of expectation being placed on his shoulders in fairness Joel.

    MOT
    So, he is "simply not match fit", and that's being helped by playing less than 3 whole games since he was loaned out, and yet "will be keen to board the World Cup squad plane.......after featuring in Japan's successful WC campaign fit and fresh..etc etc etc...".

    Errrrr which is it, fit and fresh, or simply not match fit????

    Either way, I'll bet you a pint of whatever ale you like that he never figures prominently for Leeds United, as a pin up or anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cress View Post
    I don't think "sensible approach" and "splash the cash" are compatible. We don't have to throw money everywhere just because we have it, rather, spend it when neccessary to fill the gaps. A player's value (squad and importance wise) isn't determined by how much we pay for him.

    I still believe that last summer we signed a few excellent players on paper but they aren't working out for some reason. Either because of the surroundings, tactics, whatever else. I had no doubts that Lasogga on his day is a lot better than Wood.

    I think the only genuine mistake we have made was appointing Heckingbottom. No disrespect to the man, he is a part of Leeds now thus I support him till the very end but what the F? He is nowhere near good enough and I still have no idea what made Radrizzani think that he is the perfect man for the job. I can't see us progressing with him but I sure hope he proves me wrong.
    The "excellent players" being restricted to Saiz...........errrrrrr, that's it folks.

    Forshaw wasn't a summer signing and I suspect the penny had dropped by the January transfer window that the "strategy" wasn't working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cress View Post
    I don't think "sensible approach" and "splash the cash" are compatible. We don't have to throw money everywhere just because we have it, rather, spend it when neccessary to fill the gaps. A player's value (squad and importance wise) isn't determined by how much we pay for him.

    I still believe that last summer we signed a few excellent players on paper but they aren't working out for some reason. Either because of the surroundings, tactics, whatever else. I had no doubts that Lasogga on his day is a lot better than Wood.

    I think the only genuine mistake we have made was appointing Heckingbottom. No disrespect to the man, he is a part of Leeds now thus I support him till the very end but what the F? He is nowhere near good enough and I still have no idea what made Radrizzani think that he is the perfect man for the job. I can't see us progressing with him but I sure hope he proves me wrong.
    So Heckingbottom is worse than Christiansen??

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    Excellent players "on paper". Too bad the game isn't being played on paper.

    As for Heckingbottom, well, what do you think, is he better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellufcprice View Post
    Or sign some crap from Barnsley, that will definitely be in the pipe line.
    Ok you can have Alex Mowatt back if you want.
    Whether Hecky will want to or be allowed to sign any of our players is doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acido View Post
    Ok you can have Alex Mowatt back if you want.
    Whether Hecky will want to or be allowed to sign any of our players is doubtful.
    I forgot about him signing Mowatt. He and Orta might have something in common then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acido View Post
    Ok you can have Alex Mowatt back if you want.
    Whether Hecky will want to or be allowed to sign any of our players is doubtful.
    There are probably Leeds fans who still think he is good. Slow, ponderous and can't pass. No thanks.

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    I posted this in another thread, but I think going forward we're not far off. If we can keep Saiz and Hernandez, Roberts turns out to be decent, Ekuban and Alioski keep improving (as I think they might), and Dallas is used in a more attacking role, then I think we've already got a competitive Championship attack. But behind that I'd say we need a lot of investment. Forshaw is obviously a decent midfielder, (defensively but also going forward), and Vieira could be given some decent coaching, (ditto, possibly, for Phillips, but there's a lot of work to do there), and behind them we've got Jansson and Ayling (although Ayling has his 'moments'). BPF obviously has potential but it would be a mistake to rely on him as our 1st choice keeper. Other than that I wouldn't class a single one of our current midfielders, defenders and GKs as good enough. So that's a GK, at least two CBs, at least two FBs and two DM/CMs if we are going to be a really strong competitive squad in the Championship next season. Quite a shopping list.
    Last edited by OldWhiteTaff; 11-03-2018 at 02:27 PM.

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    we have the bare bones of a squad , if it was a human being it would be laid on a mortuary slab .

    relying on radrizaani and orta to give it the kiss of life , would be like trying to get a bacon sandwich at a jewish barmitzvah .

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior View Post
    Ideguchi -


    Japan international Yosuke Ideguchi was loaned abroad immediately because FA rules prohibited him from gaining a work permit for the rest of the English 17/18 season.
    He had not made the requisite number of international appearances for Japan to meet the FA’s requirements.
    Leeds are confident he will secure a work permit for the 2018-19 campaign.

    The J-League's busy campaign (season runs from March to Dec) was completed in 2017 so Leeds saw a European loan as a way of keeping Ideguchi 'active' during what should have been his 'rest period' and then start his pre season in Spain hence his recent first tentative appearance.
    After securing his services (fighting competition from others) for 500,000 on a four year contract up front .........negative reports 'bout him from Spain are bollux as he is simply not match fit at the 'mo .............. and he will be keen to board the World Cup squad plane to Russia after featuring in Japan's successful WC campaign fit & fresh after a busy 2017 year for him both on and off the pitch as he was a prominent figure 'pin up' boy PR wise for the J- League,so as a 20 year old in 2017 a hell of lot of expectation being placed on his shoulders in fairness Joel.

    MOT
    We are in March now and he still isn't getting a game, it is not like he has been given 2 months off to rest, he has still been sat on their bench and training. There is a world cup coming up and if he had anything about him he'd be playing week in week out to get in top shape for Japans world cup journey. If he was going to not play he may as well have come to us and got used to his team mates/played with the u21s and a few bench appearances in our squad as his work permit was approved they just decided to send him to CL anyway.

  20. #20
    Think people on here need to take stock and just look back to pre-season, Yes we made a good start but me personally it was more by luck, This bunch of players have done really well, Why?, Because just look how many changes were made from at the start of the season, Upteen cant say exactly how many but we virtually changed the whole team people are not giving the team time, We are Leeds and want a quick fix, Aint gona happen, Look back on this season and see how many changes have been made to the team each game to try get the right if you like formula, I for one with a few additions are already looking forward to next season with most of this squad staying together.Noone is more frustrated than me trust me but look at the bigger picture, Wolves have played the same starting 11 in most of their games but also have quality off the bench . Keep the faith instead of slagging off, I think Hecky IS the man to take us forward.

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