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    Lundstram,Leonard,Holmes.

    Tracked and chased for ages.
    Had they arrived pre season their contributions would IMO be have been immense.
    They didn't and aren't.

    Felt so sorry for Holmes yesterday.
    Tried so hard but looked poor when in fact he is clearly a very good player.

    We bought our long term targets way too late to enable them to integrate.
    That is the boards fault. No one elses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanbeanstattoo View Post
    Tracked and chased for ages.
    Had they arrived pre season their contributions would IMO be have been immense.
    They didn't and aren't.

    Felt so sorry for Holmes yesterday.
    Tried so hard but looked poor when in fact he is clearly a very good player.

    We bought our long term targets way too late to enable them to integrate.
    That is the boards fault. No one elses.
    you said FRESH LEGS WILL HAVE US PUSHING ON, i said they wouldnt becuse they wont be fresh legs playing in that rubbish league. so have you changed your mind,which you are allowed to by the way. i knew they wouldnt bring any freshness or anything to add beyond what we have already got. but your point on having them sooner i totally agree with,pre season with us will see them contribute a lot more. utb

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    was a horrible day to judge anybody in those conditions really so i will reserve judgement know sbt rates leonard very highly but i havent seen anything yet to suggest hes championship material but lets wait and see after pre season as for holmes i think with his age he will be used as an impact sub think he was just trying a bit too hard yesterday and looked clumsy lundstrum is gonna be a very good player but not quite experienced enough yet for a regular start

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    All three are competing at a level now that is stretching their capabilities.

    Lundstram was settling in quite nicely after a dodgy start,but then came January and he cant get a game now,because of Evans.

    Leonard played ok filling in for Basham,but thats all he looks like a "filler in",would he start ahead of Fleck Coutts Duffy,not at the mo.

    Holmes he looks so rushed in his play when ever he comes on as sub,same applies to him as with Leonard,regarding Fleck Coutts Duffy.

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    If they were proven Championship quality they wouldn't be with us.
    We don't buy quality at the level we're at, we buy it from a division below and then hope that they're good enough to make the step up.

    This is the case when we're in the Premier League as well.
    And it doesn't matter how much money is thrown at Premier Clubs we'd still do our shopping in the Championship and League One and hope it all works out well

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlade View Post
    If they were proven Championship quality they wouldn't be with us.
    We don't buy quality at the level we're at, we buy it from a division below and then hope that they're good enough to make the step up.

    This is the case when we're in the Premier League as well.
    And it doesn't matter how much money is thrown at Premier Clubs we'd still do our shopping in the Championship and League One and hope it all works out well
    Buying at the level we are at, like our neighbours wasting their money across the city? - or buying at the level above, like only Villa can afford to, or buying from abroad, like Wolves have manoeuvred a way to under the table.............
    There is nothing wrong with buying these players, and if we allow them a bit of time to settle in, adapt, and hopefully raise their game - lets see how they do.
    Don't think its right to be so judgemental at this early stage in their Blades careers.

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    Its not a choice of one thing or other is it? I get the attraction of a few marquee players but I really get the whole concept of looking for gems who can step up, or using PL loan kids.

    Forget for now the budget to buy them, the ball is firmly in CW's court. He has a philosophy based on all for one, one for all, no superstars thing. How does this fit with having four lads on twice or four times the money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlo70 View Post
    you said FRESH LEGS WILL HAVE US PUSHING ON, i said they wouldnt becuse they wont be fresh legs playing in that rubbish league. so have you changed your mind,which you are allowed to by the way. i knew they wouldnt bring any freshness or anything to add beyond what we have already got. but your point on having them sooner i totally agree with,pre season with us will see them contribute a lot more. utb
    You're right. I did. I hoped they would. I think sadly they havent and wont for the reasons given in my OP.

    Wilder wanted them over a long period of time so I just hope that as you say after a full pre season they are all he and we want mate.

    That said theres a mini 8 match season ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I totally agree with the OP, in fact I’ve said the same thing myself. It must be one hell of a job for a player to move his home and hit the ground running mid season when they’re also stepping up a division.

    If we’d signed them pre-season it might well have been a different story for them, and if we’d recruited proven Championship level players in January, I think it would certainly have been better for the the team’s points total. It would have needed serious money though, there’s no point in bringing in dross even Championship dross, but we’re just not there right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayamonteblade View Post
    Buying at the level we are at, like our neighbours wasting their money across the city? - or buying at the level above, like only Villa can afford to, or buying from abroad, like Wolves have manoeuvred a way to under the table.............
    There is nothing wrong with buying these players, and if we allow them a bit of time to settle in, adapt, and hopefully raise their game - lets see how they do.
    Don't think its right to be so judgemental at this early stage in their Blades careers.




    I'm all for getting a few gems from the lower leagues, but when you have a team full of them you're asking for trouble because hard work and good attitude only gets you so far, and for so long.

    If you buy quality players you will have a better team 99.99% of the time regardless of what's happened at Wendy.
    Skill, technique, ability, vision and fitness combined with a good attitude will beat a team of hard workers with limited skill, technique, ability, vision, fitness and a good attitude almost every time. That's why successful clubs are successful.
    It's only when the team with more natural ability has a bad attitude that the team of workhorses can get a result against them

    If the club wants to move forward the boardroom have to speculate, that means keeping Brooks and adding more quality
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHIPBUTTYBLADE View Post
    All three are competing at a level now that is stretching their capabilities.

    Lundstram was settling in quite nicely after a dodgy start,but then came January and he cant get a game now,because of Evans.

    Leonard played ok filling in for Basham,but thats all he looks like a "filler in",would he start ahead of Fleck Coutts Duffy,not at the mo.

    Holmes he looks so rushed in his play when ever he comes on as sub,same applies to him as with Leonard,regarding Fleck Coutts Duffy.
    With respect Agnes Leonard would be a better choice than COUTTSY at the moment mi owd pal.If he aint good enuff to replace someone wi a broken leg gord help him.I thought he did well yesdi replacin Daddy BASH(congratulations to BASHAMbauer)but when he got to the bye line his crosses were way overhit but as i said he did well other than that. UTCB

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    I think I must be the only one on here not complaining after a good first season back.
    Spending big money is not the answer as there are no guarantees. I expect CW to get us where we would like to
    be given time and a little money or should we pay double for our tickets next season?

    It's so easy to spend someone's dosh when it's not your own.

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    agree chips

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    its chris wilder thats asking for more money for better quality. he says we cant compete with the big spenders on such a low budget. hes been saying that every time we lose to the big spenders. so what your saying is chris would be no good with a big budget. what im saying is how fantastic he and we would be with a big budget. dont be scared by other managers failures having spent money. thats other managers not chris wilder
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    Have to say this season has gone better than I expected and have no complaints. It was always going to be a learning curve. All we now need to do is work out what we need and who we can get rid of and push on next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chips1889 View Post
    I think I must be the only one on here not complaining after a good first season back.
    Spending big money is not the answer as there are no guarantees. I expect CW to get us where we would like to
    be given time and a little money or should we pay double for our tickets next season?

    It's so easy to spend someone's dosh when it's not your own.

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    Iím not complaining Chippy, Iím just saying it as I see it, and that fact doesnít change my view that this has been a very good first season back in the Championship and it has exceeded my expectations however it pans out.

    I also hear what you say about spending other peopleís money, but those people have chosen to run a football club which happens to be one of the best supported in the Championship, and so I would at least expect us to be competitively funded next season to give Chris a fighting chance if weíre still in this division. Iím not saying that we should be top six financially, but certainly not bottom six like this season if we are to progress.

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    I kind of agree with the arguments on both sides! Goes to show just how difficult managing a football club is these days.

    I think we can't underestimate the shock to the system Leonard and Holmes have had moving "up north" in the middle of the coldest winter for donkeys years. Any surprise it's Evans who has settled in the quicker?

    That being said, I tend to agree with the view that long term the overall strategy of cherry picking from the lower leagues will only get you so far and long term will actually be detrimental. You have to get very lucky very often playing that game and let's face it, CW doesn't always get it right in the transfer market.

    This summer is going to be crucial for the next 5-10 years of this football club.

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    your right with that last statement gaunchey this summer will tell us a lot about which way the club is heading but i dont like the vibes coming from mcabe and nothing being said by the prince got a distinct feeling its gonna be a couple of lower league signings and a couple of loans again this summer whatever happens we need 2 new strikers thats a must for me utb ftp

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    The best young manager we've ever had walked in protest over the transfer policy. I hope the Board don't force our Chrissy into a similar situation.

    I don't imagine CW would do that, but if he's not given a proper war chest in the summer and some point during the season a Prem club comes in for him, would we blame him if he left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuancheBlade View Post
    The best young manager we've ever had walked in protest over the transfer policy. I hope the Board don't force our Chrissy into a similar situation.

    I don't imagine CW would do that, but if he's not given a proper war chest in the summer and some point during the season a Prem club comes in for him, would we blame him if he left?
    my gut feeling it will end in tears,im hoping its the curry from last night causing my guts to feel this way though.
    but i,ll predict mcabe saying summat like,BECAUSE THE PRINCE AND MYSELF ARE AT A STALEMATE OVER THE VALUATION OF THE PROPERTIES IE ACADEMY,THE LANE ETC,WE ARE UN ABLE TO COMMIT TO A TRANSFER BUDGET FOR THE COMING SEASON. IM SURE WITH CHRIS AT THE ELM WE WILL BE IN FOR ANOTHER EXCITING SEASON AHEAD. AS SOON AS THE PRINCE AND I SETTLE OUR DIFFERENCES ,MONEY WILL BE RELEASED.
    The prince will sell his share.
    then Mcabe will say .Without other investors theres no money for team building. brooks,coutts fleck ,oconnel,baldock will be sold then we will be fighting relegation. chris will leave,then we will be another 6 seasons in the pub league thinking if only we,d have given wilder decent money to make a fist of things.

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