'The Leave List'

[WBA123]

Who I hope is on the leave list this Summer.

Would anyone have anything different?:

Barry
Livermore
Evans
Robson-Kanu
Phillips
Pole
Sturridge
Chadli
Myhill

Not arsed either way (I think they would be very good championship players):
McClean
Nyom
Rondon

[Whicka_Mon]

Who I hope is on the leave list this Summer.

Would anyone have anything different?:

Barry
Livermore
Evans
Robson-Kanu
Phillips
Pole
Sturridge
Chadli
Myhill

Not arsed either way (I think they would be very good championship players):
McClean
Nyom
Rondon

I'd add Morrison to that list.

[mickd1961]

If fit Morrison is one of the best players in the Championship and never lets us down.

A must keep in my book.

[wbaliquidator]

Livermore,
I think the fact that our fortunes have dramatically reversed since he arrived would not have escaped the attention of our Chinese owners who are normally by nature very superstitious.

[talkSAFT]

Livermore,
I think the fact that our fortunes have dramatically reversed since he arrived would not have escaped the attention of our Chinese owners who are normally by nature very superstitious.

I thought he had a half decent game on Saturday, and I gave him 6/10, his best score by me for ages. (He usually gets a 2 or 3).
He must think he's going to Russia.

[holmleighchris]

Why Myhill? He hasn't put a foot wrong all season.
I'd keep Phillips ahead of McClean. I doubt mcClean would be a very good player in any division.
I wouldn't keep Morrison. Far too injury prone.
Chadli would be a great asset if we could get 30 games out of him.
I wouldn't keep Nyom. Best you can say about him is that he is enthusiastic.
Robson Kanu may be a decent back up striker in the division.
I'd keep Rondon but I reckon we will sell for 10 million+
The Pole & Sturridge aren't ours to keep anyway.
Dawson will be coaxed away by a Prem. side unfortunately. I'd keep him if I could.

[WBA123]

Why Myhill? He hasn't put a foot wrong all season.
I'd keep Phillips ahead of McClean. I doubt mcClean would be a very good player in any division.
I wouldn't keep Morrison. Far too injury prone.
Chadli would be a great asset if we could get 30 games out of him.
I wouldn't keep Nyom. Best you can say about him is that he is enthusiastic.
Robson Kanu may be a decent back up striker in the division.
I'd keep Rondon but I reckon we will sell for 10 million+
The Pole & Sturridge aren't ours to keep anyway.
Dawson will be coaxed away by a Prem. side unfortunately. I'd keep him if I could.

Just to explain my opinions.....

Myhill makes the list because of Taxi-gate. Looking from the outside in, I think there is something toxic in our dressing room so I would clear out all 4 of those players. Also, we have a promising young keeper (Palmer) who I think could be promoted to our number 2 spot.

Phillips, just seems to be getting worse and worse this season. Bottling challenges won't help us in the championship. He does show glimpses of quality (predominantly last season) but he is the ultimate Mr Inconsistent.

Chadli, hasn't wanted to know all season in the prem. Doubt he would in the championship. Nyom, played brilliantly for us when he had to fill in at left back for a season. I agree him and McClean aren't premiership level, but I think they could make an impact in the championship.

Robson Kanu is just devoid of any quality. Apart from that one moment in a European championship for Wales which he will dine out on for the rest of his life.

Hope you aren't right about Dawson, but fear you are. If we can keep him, I'd make him captain and build a side around him.

[wbatillidie]

Just to explain my opinions.....

Myhill makes the list because of Taxi-gate. Looking from the outside in, I think there is something toxic in our dressing room so I would clear out all 4 of those players. Also, we have a promising young keeper (Palmer) who I think could be promoted to our number 2 spot.

Phillips, just seems to be getting worse and worse this season. Bottling challenges won't help us in the championship. He does show glimpses of quality (predominantly last season) but he is the ultimate Mr Inconsistent.

Chadli, hasn't wanted to know all season in the prem. Doubt he would in the championship. Nyom, played brilliantly for us when he had to fill in at left back for a season. I agree him and McClean aren't premiership level, but I think they could make an impact in the championship.

Robson Kanu is just devoid of any quality. Apart from that one moment in a European championship for Wales which he will dine out on for the rest of his life.

Hope you aren't right about Dawson, but fear you are. If we can keep him, I'd make him captain and build a side around him.

Think you summed it up perfectly, Robson Kanu ha ha

[Yarmbaggie]

There is one big factor that will determine who goes and that will be is anyone else prepared to pay the players the sort of money that they want? I would hope that we will be looking to get reasonable fees for most of these players but that will make them less attractive to purchasers if they are also wanting big wages and big add ones for agents etc.

Our wage structure appears to have gone through the roof over the last couple of years and the players are now well overpaid for what they produced this year. Would you be prepared to buy the likes of Chadli for a decent transfer fee, big wages and add ons? I certainly wouldn’t and it is the same for many of the squad who we would want to move on.

Bottom line is if the players can’t get the sort of package they want, plus the club getting what they want, then some of them will be here next year if we want them out or not. The power is with the players now far more than the club. I suspect there will be wage reductions in their contracts for taking us down into the Championship (hope so anyway) but they are hardly the most attractive bunch for other clubs given their ages and the lack of quality they have shown over the last 18 months.

[WBA123]

There is one big factor that will determine who goes and that will be is anyone else prepared to pay the players the sort of money that they want? I would hope that we will be looking to get reasonable fees for most of these players but that will make them less attractive to purchasers if they are also wanting big wages and big add ones for agents etc.

Our wage structure appears to have gone through the roof over the last couple of years and the players are now well overpaid for what they produced this year. Would you be prepared to buy the likes of Chadli for a decent transfer fee, big wages and add ons? I certainly wouldn’t and it is the same for many of the squad who we would want to move on.

Bottom line is if the players can’t get the sort of package they want, plus the club getting what they want, then some of them will be here next year if we want them out or not. The power is with the players now far more than the club. I suspect there will be wage reductions in their contracts for taking us down into the Championship (hope so anyway) but they are hardly the most attractive bunch for other clubs given their ages and the lack of quality they have shown over the last 18 months.

If the previous chairmen have done their jobs properly (I have my doubts) then every player would have a relegation clause so that their salary would dramatically reduce if we were relegated.

If you look at the list and their estimated value/salaries;

Sturridge & Pole were on £100k each.
Johnny Evans must be on £75k, he will leave for £3m by the looks of it.
Gareth Barry must be on a good wedge too. I don't think he'll take up the offer of a new contract for next year.
Rondon has been linked with a £16.5m move to West Ham in today's Telegraph. That would be a decent price for us to sell at.
Chadli was linked with a £25m move to Swansea last year, I don't think we'd get that for him but we might get a similar figure to the one being bandied about for Rondon. I would imagine both are on at least £50k
There will be a promoted club or a team towards the bottom of the prem come in for Livermore, we paid £10m for him and I expect we'd recoup that. His England call ups have probably given him some value.
Phillips, we paid £5m for - I'd take that for him if anyone was interested in him.
HRK / Myhill would leave for free

If that lot leave, we would have saved a fortune on wages and would get around £50m in transfer fees.

Maybe I'm dreaming!