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  1. #3531
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    Here's what determines the probability of success in fitba in order of importance:

    1. Money
    2. Luck
    A very, very distant 3rd indeed: anything else, including your manager.

    This isn't just my subjective opinion. The subject has been researched to death, and the product of that research has been summarised in popular books of the Soccernomics type. They're easy to read, easy to understand and if you skim the padding not especially dry. They won't tell you what Aberdeen's chances of winning trophies are, but they will give you the tools to provide you with a much better idea than many seem to have.

    AFAIC nobody should be criticising a manager's achievements unless they have a basic understanding of how probability works in the game. Valid criticism needs to apply criteria that measures achievement against reasonable expectations given a club's resources and that of their rivals.

    Even a moderate understanding of this stuff would blow the kind of superficially plausible but quite frankly ridiculous statements we often see on this forum out of the water. Such as:

    - we should reasonably expect to win a cup every 2-3 years
    - we should expect to be putting in a real challenge for the title
    - given the temporary demise of Hunco and Hearts our recent achievements of finishing 2nd and getting to finals and semi-finals is no more than delivering on reasonable expectations and shouldn't be viewed as success.

    Anybody who thinks any of these statements is true literally has no comprehension of how probability works in the game.

    I see posters being called "happy clappers" because they disagree with criticism of the club during what has been by any rational measure a period of genuine success given our financial limitations.

    In fact it's the critics that are the happy clappers: they are holding the club to a fantasy standard born of wishful thinking. It has absolutely no basis in logic or reason. As an Aberdeen fan who can remember Gothenburg and league titles I grieve that the club's relative status in the game is so catastrophically reduced. But much as I despise Milne, particularly for his 'we need a strong Rangers' stance, this is down to forces no chairman could have controlled. And our current manager has done a very good job in the circumstances.
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  2. #3532
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    Quote Originally Posted by DollyLongstaffe View Post
    Here's what determines the probability of success in fitba in order of importance:

    1. Money
    2. Luck
    A very, very distant 3rd indeed: anything else, including your manager.

    This isn't just my subjective opinion. The subject has been researched to death, and the product of that research has been summarised in popular books of the Soccernomics type. They're easy to read, easy to understand and if you skim the padding not especially dry. They won't tell you what Aberdeen's chances of winning trophies are, but they will give you the tools to provide you with a much better idea than many seem to have.

    AFAIC nobody should be criticising a manager's achievements unless they have a basic understanding of how probability works in the game. Valid criticism needs to apply criteria that measures achievement against reasonable expectations given a club's resources and that of their rivals.

    Even a moderate understanding of this stuff would blow the kind of superficially plausible but quite frankly ridiculous statements we often see on this forum out of the water. Such as:

    - we should reasonably expect to win a cup every 2-3 years
    - we should expect to be putting in a real challenge for the title
    - given the temporary demise of Hunco and Hearts our recent achievements of finishing 2nd and getting to finals and semi-finals is no more than delivering on reasonable expectations and shouldn't be viewed as success.

    Anybody who thinks any of these statements is true literally has no comprehension of how probability works in the game.

    I see posters being called "happy clappers" because they disagree with criticism of the club during what has been by any rational measure a period of genuine success given our financial limitations.

    In fact it's the critics that are the happy clappers: they are holding the club to a fantasy standard born of wishful thinking. It has absolutely no basis in logic or reason. As an Aberdeen fan who can remember Gothenburg and league titles I grieve that the club's relative status in the game is so catastrophically reduced. But much as I despise Milne, particularly for his 'we need a strong Rangers' stance, this is down to forces no chairman could have controlled. And our current manager has done a very good job in the circumstances.
    What a load of nonsense. Who writes and wastes time by telling a football fan the probability of success.
    Football is all about playing and winning. Criticism when defeated is expected as critics strive for their club to do better.

  3. #3533
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    Quote Originally Posted by DollyLongstaffe View Post
    Here's what determines the probability of success in fitba in order of importance:

    1. Money
    2. Luck
    A very, very distant 3rd indeed: anything else, including your manager.

    This isn't just my subjective opinion. The subject has been researched to death, and the product of that research has been summarised in popular books of the Soccernomics type. They're easy to read, easy to understand and if you skim the padding not especially dry. They won't tell you what Aberdeen's chances of winning trophies are, but they will give you the tools to provide you with a much better idea than many seem to have.

    AFAIC nobody should be criticising a manager's achievements unless they have a basic understanding of how probability works in the game. Valid criticism needs to apply criteria that measures achievement against reasonable expectations given a club's resources and that of their rivals.

    Even a moderate understanding of this stuff would blow the kind of superficially plausible but quite frankly ridiculous statements we often see on this forum out of the water. Such as:

    - we should reasonably expect to win a cup every 2-3 years
    - we should expect to be putting in a real challenge for the title
    - given the temporary demise of Hunco and Hearts our recent achievements of finishing 2nd and getting to finals and semi-finals is no more than delivering on reasonable expectations and shouldn't be viewed as success.

    Anybody who thinks any of these statements is true literally has no comprehension of how probability works in the game.

    I see posters being called "happy clappers" because they disagree with criticism of the club during what has been by any rational measure a period of genuine success given our financial limitations.

    In fact it's the critics that are the happy clappers: they are holding the club to a fantasy standard born of wishful thinking. It has absolutely no basis in logic or reason. As an Aberdeen fan who can remember Gothenburg and league titles I grieve that the club's relative status in the game is so catastrophically reduced. But much as I despise Milne, particularly for his 'we need a strong Rangers' stance, this is down to forces no chairman could have controlled. And our current manager has done a very good job in the circumstances.
    Nail on head min . I think the guys setting the bar high are just young loons who didn't experience the glory years and want to experience them first hand. As my old boy said to me at the time enjoy every minute of this as it won't last forever and will never happen again. I exclude Mason from this as I think he was a hun during the glory years and converted at th e tail end of our success.
    I would have loved to have won the Scottish cup during deeks tenure. We should have beaten st Johnstone and with utd in the final we probably would have done it. Just not to be.

  4. #3534
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    Quote Originally Posted by RED_JOHN View Post
    What a load of nonsense. Who writes and wastes time by telling a football fan the probability of success.
    Football is all about playing and winning. Criticism when defeated is expected as critics strive for their club to do better.
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    I'm fair looking forward to when the school's go back

  5. #3535
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    Any advance on an 8 ball?

  6. #3536
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason89 View Post
    Any advance on an 8 ball?
    Go on admit it you love it really. Anybody fae the West coast who converted from the Huns to the Dons as a loon and stuck with it gets the thumbs up from me

  7. #3537
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    Just to recap.

    On the very day our season starts, I’ve been pulled up for having an alter ego, taking posts off topic, being negative, being a troll, being thick, being seething, not being a fan, being a hun & worst of all, being a f*cking happy clapper. All without me posting.

    Absolute weirdo behaviour

    By the way, the ‘back to school’ patter is honking. Probably the oldest patter on the internet & it was never funny. Tim Berners-Lee sent it in an email to his assistant, 5 minutes after inventing the internet & got the reply ‘that patters f*cking tragic. Stop it’

  8. #3538
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason89 View Post
    Just to recap.

    On the very day our season starts, I’ve been pulled up for having an alter ego, taking posts off topic, being negative, being a troll, being thick, being seething, not being a fan, being a hun & worst of all, being a f*cking happy clapper. All without me posting.

    Absolute weirdo behaviour

    By the way, the ‘back to school’ patter is honking. Probably the oldest patter on the internet & it was never funny. Tim Berners-Lee sent it in an email to his assistant, 5 minutes after inventing the internet & got the reply ‘that patters f*cking tragic. Stop it’
    Have i touched a raw nerve ? I paid you a complement min. The back to school comment wasn't meant to be funny it was a weary response to yet more guff. However nice to see you leap to your chums defence

  9. #3539
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason89 View Post
    I couldn’t give a monkeys about European football, so I would’ve posted f*ck all today.
    Not meaning to harass you any further than you already feel you’re being harassed, but genuine question... why don’t you give a monkeys about European football?

  10. #3540
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    Not at all. It’s just when folk chip in on a daily basis about this site being shyte, I think it’s probably your squad more than me to blame.

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