Post now..!

[Saxo1man41]

And my 'saviour' would be the targetman option mowbray neglected to bring in.

[Despair]

Hang on Wigan gone ???
You have been upping them as nailed on champs for some considerable time and cookie is best things since sliced bread.
So seeing as we’re rank poor that must mean it’s Shrews as your pick for champs ?

I wish you’d make your mind up.

[Saxo1man41]

Gone meaning we won't catch them.

[Despair]

Mark Atkins seemed to suggest he believed now it is determined the penalty is the punishment and a second yellow inducing the red is too much punishment.
Which is all well and good if the pen is slotted. If it’s not he’s ‘got away with it!
Don’t know if this is correct or not (the new ruling) if it is it’s news to me.

[Saxo1man41]

I've heard that too.

[AucklandRover]

Mark Atkins seemed to suggest he believed now it is determined the penalty is the punishment and a second yellow inducing the red is too much punishment.
Which is all well and good if the pen is slotted. If it’s not he’s ‘got away with it!
Don’t know if this is correct or not (the new ruling) if it is it’s news to me.

Thanks, Despair. Yes - I do remember that now. Surely it wouldn't apply to a cynical, deliberate hack, though? That would be the ultimate blessing for a professional foul! (Not the case today, anyway).

[robinrover]

I see saxo
Gutless if we step away and not post when the raw emotions are out
Come on saxo many nasty words are said in the heat of the moment
The older I get the more I realise that sometimes taking a step back is more beneficial than ranting aimlessly in the heat of the moment.

[Despair]

Even though I have said, and been questioned by Aucks, that I believe a manager has a great influence upon the squads performance.
It’s not the be all and end all.
Once they take to the field , it’s up to them.
These are grown men, professionals, that do not need telling 3 points is a good haul, zero points is bad.
However, their opposition, no matter what position they hold in the table. Are of the exact same mentality ie 3 points is the goal.
Now it’s a case of who wants it most , collectively.
This for me is where your captain and on field leader steps in, to motivate his team to hopefully deliver those points.
If it doesn’t happen, they on the field have collectively failed (this time).
This does not release the manager of any responsibility as during the contest he can and will make changes of personnel and tactics, in the hope and belief it will further the cause.
But as in all things in life nothing is guaranteed and only the resultant outcome will reveal if it was the correct call or not.
This very much is what I believe galls Sax most.
For me it’s a case of “he’s human” we all make them.
He has still got us in a decent position where auto promo looks like it could be on.

Simply hold your nerve. It’s really not worth stressing over.

[Despair]

Thanks, Despair. Yes - I do remember that now. Surely it wouldn't apply to a cynical, deliberate hack, though? That would be the ultimate blessing for a professional foul! (Not the case today, anyway).

Now that I've actually seen the incident, I can sort of get where the change to ruling is trying to come from.
If that had been outside the area that would have been second yellow, an he's off.
In this case it was inside, so a pen. But it wasn't a blatant hack borne out of stopping a goal scoring opportunity.
Yes we were in the area trying to work an opening, but that may have or may not have proven successful.
So a pen gives us a much more likely opportunity, that's the 'punishment.
On the basis this is not a totally black or white ruling, it does come down though to the ref reading the 'situation' fairly / correctly.

[AucklandRover]

Now that I've actually seen the incident, I can sort of get where the change to ruling is trying to come from.
If that had been outside the area that would have been second yellow, an he's off.
In this case it was inside, so a pen. But it wasn't a blatant hack borne out of stopping a goal scoring opportunity.
Yes we were in the area trying to work an opening, but that may have or may not have proven successful.
So a pen gives us a much more likely opportunity, that's the 'punishment.
On the basis this is not a totally black or white ruling, it does come down though to the ref reading the 'situation' fairly / correctly.

I totally agree, Despair, but there are still some inconsistencies. As you said, what if the penalty is missed? Also, some of the yellow card "offences" are quite trivial. A player could get sent off for two of those, but not get a second yellow for a penalty-area foul which might have prevented a goal.