Not bad for Fizzy Players.......

[waalsendmick]

Diame and Perez are both playing well, and at the moment deserve their place in the team. they've even earned a place in the squad for next season.

but...


from our current starting XI I would be looking to replace Yedlin, Diame Perez and Gayle for the start of next season.

I am also happy for tgose 4 players to prove me wrong.

[ghostrider]

Do you agree or disagree that in the early part of the season Rafa simply didn't have the tools to work with.

Strongly disagree. I believe he had all the tools to comfortably beat the drop. I just do not believe he used those tools to the best ability...at first. My genuine opinion.

Now although it's not perfect but he has a slightly better sst of tools to work with therefor he can and is doing a better job.
It's a very simple comparison to judge. What is your opinion of that Ghost.

I totally agree he's got better tools and that's why there's an upturn in quality and mindset of the other players, because he's let them off the leash enough to have a go as and when necessary but still keeping them drilled all over the field and especially at the back.
Basically speaking the underperforming players are being allowed to express themselves in their rightful roles and it's clear to see the benefit.

[ghostrider]

What´s telling for me is how Rafa stuck with players like Diame and Perez who were clearly off form and struggling. We all saw that on form they didn´t deserve to be starting but they often did, although Rafa was rotating much more then than now.

(Then there´s Dummett looking like a different player - why is that? The same Dummett that P45due said would never make it as a PL player)

He clearly knew they were good enough when many of us said they weren´t (I hold my hand up re Diame). Great manager.

I think we all have to hold our hands up with all kinds of stuff where manager and players are concerned.
I hold my hands up at being too hasty to want him sacked but I didn't see anything to tell me otherwise at the time. Guilty as charged.

The trouble is too many people are hell bent on refusing to admit to anything if it goes against the grain or especially Rafa but the truth is everyone is guilty of being wrong and/or following the mass train of thought for no other reason than being easier rather than arguing a point.

I'm not built like that but I'm big enough to accept when I'm wrong or acting too hasty, etc.

If the truth be known I'm appreciating Rafa more and more because I see him changing things for the better, unlike earlier on when his tactics were not only head scratching but beyond rational reason and I won't accept any talk of there being some kind of plan. He simply messed up and tried to pass the buck.

If he caries on like he's been doing since January I have no reason to slag him off in the present of (hopefully) future but the past is another matter that I stand by apart from obviously being over hasty in wanting him sacked.

[ghostrider]

Fancy Pardew having the nerve to say that about Dummett.

I wonder if Dummett could have the last laugh by saying Pardew would never make it as a Prem manager.

The proof of both opinions is surely in the pudding.

Many managers have said that to players who've went on to make a name for themselves. Some actually do it as a massive motivation. Pardew could have done the same but people will see it how they want to see it.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Strongly disagree. I believe he had all the tools to comfortably beat the drop. I just do not believe he used those tools to the best ability...at first. My genuine opinion.


I totally agree he's got better tools and that's why there's an upturn in quality and mindset of the other players, because he's let them off the leash enough to have a go as and when necessary but still keeping them drilled all over the field and especially at the back.
Basically speaking the underperforming players are being allowed to express themselves in their rightful roles and it's clear to see the benefit.

So by disagreeing about the tools he had first half season are you saying the same squad plus the additional players from last window is no better than before.

[Sclox]

To be honest, folks, I think everyone must realise that the main thing P'Boro likes about coming on here most is winding posters up. He knows how to push the right buttons-whether that's calling Geordies/Northerners numpties, etc, slagging off Rafa, praising/criticising our players depending on which will go against the popular view, boasting about his wealth/contacts or baiting Pat.

I gave up responding ages ago and only reply when he's making a decent point (which, in fairness, he does do now and again).

That's the way to go, imo.

Yup, can make the odd good point though even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[Sclox]

I think we all have to hold our hands up with all kinds of stuff where manager and players are concerned.
I hold my hands up at being too hasty to want him sacked but I didn't see anything to tell me otherwise at the time. Guilty as charged.

The trouble is too many people are hell bent on refusing to admit to anything if it goes against the grain or especially Rafa but the truth is everyone is guilty of being wrong and/or following the mass train of thought for no other reason than being easier rather than arguing a point.

I'm not built like that but I'm big enough to accept when I'm wrong or acting too hasty, etc.

If the truth be known I'm appreciating Rafa more and more because I see him changing things for the better, unlike earlier on when his tactics were not only head scratching but beyond rational reason and I won't accept any talk of there being some kind of plan. He simply messed up and tried to pass the buck.

If he caries on like he's been doing since January I have no reason to slag him off in the present of (hopefully) future but the past is another matter that I stand by apart from obviously being over hasty in wanting him sacked.

I think what seperates you from the rest of us is that we all had faith in Rafa to come through - even during the difficult run. You dont seem to have the same faith in a CL winning manager. In fact, you just react to results as they happen - against Rafa before January, for him now and then if results turn against him again. Dont you see thats one of the oldest stereotypes other fans like to have of us -- fickle. Dont play that game man.

[ashingtoon62]

I am surprised that his ar$ewipe mate hasn’t been on trying to defend this misquoted post

You just had to do it!! Didn't ya....

[pboromag]

Fantastic achievment from Rafa and the team..... did five minutes of digging and found this from our resident expert

nope i said that
and agan the way they were being played under rafa wasnt to their strengths

no one can deny that in the last 5-6 games we are not playing different to how we have since rafa took over

just look at how high we play up the field

just look at how many we get into the box
look at how shelvey and diame are rotating

we often now have 3-4 men in the box and two shutting their back 4 down
not like most games this season where as soon as we lost the ball we dropped of to defend

yes i said it and thiose that he brought in for that time and that league arent playing in the prem apart from 3
gayle atsu and yedlin i thought one of those was on lon at the time

and agan as many said on here obviousy agreeing with me they were fizzy players
because they were not being played to their strengths
and havent for so very long under rafa

most were awful under rafa for those last few games as they were not playing how they wanted or too their strengths
i have asaid many times i think shelvey is not england class

after the way he is being played and playing these last 5 games i may change my mind
but i still thisnk he is to slow of mind and body for international footy
good enough skill wise on recent form

so if we look at that statement
which by the way boosts my ego so much that someone would spend so long trawling old posts about pboromag to prove a point when so many say they avoid me

im now being proved wrong about shelvey
but was i wrong upto the last few games ??

most were awful in the prem or we wouldnt have gotten relegated

most were brought in for the fizzy
not all

without gayles early goals in the fizzy which then dried up would we have come back up

does anyone disagree that we needed more than we got when we came up

we dont have one premier calss player
we dont we have average premier players in most cases

so not to far from the mark
5 mintes of looking

you little liar exile

but thanks anyway

im so much happier that anyone would tae the time to prove anything i say

5 minutes you wont get nback sad lad

[ghostrider]

So by disagreeing about the tools he had first half season are you saying the same squad plus the additional players from last window is no better than before.

Read what you quoted.